By Brooke Nevils
Rock Center
LLANGYNWD, Wales - About two hundred miles away from the Greenwich, England, arena where her purebred horse Rafalca competed in the London Olympics, Ann Romney stroked the nose of Magic, a Welsh pony.
"You're so pretty, Magic," said Mrs. Romney.
In the rugged coal country of southern Wales, you see a different side to Ann Romney: she is at one point teary-eyed, another laughing, but always a tough defender of her husband. She talked at length about her life with multiple sclerosis, her conversion to the Mormon faith and her decision to stay home to raise her five boys.
As Rock Center Correspondent Natalie Morales found in her exclusive interview with the wife of presumptive Republican presidential candidate Mitt Romney, scheduled to air Thursday at 10pm/9c on NBC's Rock Center, this coal miner's granddaughter is much more than an owner of an Olympic dressage horse.
Mrs. Romney is a first-generation American. Her father, Edward Davies, emigrated to the United States from this part of Wales in 1929, at age 15.
"It's very emotional for me to come back and to know what kind of life my grandfather lived, and my father," said Mrs. Romney, touring a coal mine much like the one in which her grandfather began working at age six.
The Davies family settled in Detroit, where a nearly 16-year-old Ann met 18-year-old Mitt at a party, and the high school sophomore's "heart went aflutter." Four years to the day after their first date, they were married.
"We are partners, true partners in every sense of the way," she told Morales. "I don't think he could do it without me. I don't believe he could. I couldn't obviously be here without him either."
Despite her steadfast support on the campaign trail, Mrs. Romney -- much like her sons -- was not so keen on her husband's role in public life after his failed bid for the Republican nomination in 2008.
"After the election was over and [John] McCain was the nominee, I made a decision that I would never do it again," she said. "You know who your husband is. You know-- I know what a good person he is. And oh - the negative - it's so hard as a wife to sit there and listen to that."
But when Morales asked why she changed her mind, Mrs. Romney said, "We have a reason why we're running and it's because I believe in my heart that Mitt is going to save America, that economically we are in such difficult times and that he is the person that’s going to pull us through this."
The criticism that plagued the Romneys during the 2008 campaign has continued, particularly in regards to their reported $250 million fortune and the issue of their tax returns.
When pressed by Morales, Mrs. Romney stood her ground. "We have been very transparent to what's legally required of us,” she said. “There's going to be no more tax releases given."
Mrs. Romney said if they release any more information, "it will only give them more ammunition."
In regards to their finances, she said "there's nothing we're hiding."
"It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward,” she told Morales. “And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."
Editor's Note: Natalie Morales' full interview with Ann Romney aired Thursday, August 16 on NBC's Rock Center with Brian Williams.











What a wonderful, courageous person. Ann Romney is going to be a great First Lady of the U.S. come this January.
Ben: That is pure fantasy.
It's nice to see a man whose family would be a role model for the rest of the country. It is a shame success is demonized by the Obama camp. I'm looking forward to seeing better leadership in the White House in 2012.
Gag me with a spoon - - - the romney platform is - - LET THEM (WE "PEASANTS") EAT CAKE!! AND - WHERE'S THOSE TAX RECORDS, romney?????
These so called reporters are an embarrassment to journalism. I would rather see some answers from Obama on why his administration and party couldn't pass a budget with our money. For some reason the liberal media is trying to hide Obama's failed leadership from the country. It didnt work in 2010 and I doubt it works in 2012. Tell me what Obama does with my money. Thanks
Ben,
What great sarcastic writing. At first I thought you were serious. Then I realized no one is that big of a buffoon.
Why isn't there an IRS, or a justice department inquiry into Romney's tax situation, if he is hiding something or if he did something wrong?
The answer is clear; he did nothing wrong, paid all the taxes he was supoposed to pay, and the Obama camp (with a little assistance from the Obama-biased-media) are using this as election year "fodder."
I thought Obama was supposed to be "different." (?)
mosnana; Ron
How can you be so one tracked and just parrot what you have been programed to say, when your entire country is falling down around your head all you can say is "Where's the Taxes".
How come I never hear one of you ask Mr. Obama where the TRUTH is?
Does your Mind Controller also give you a schedule when to visit the head?
ZMan2012 - because the law will show even if he payed no taxes over the last decade, it was still probably legal.
We the people won't like it. We don't like the tax laws, and we don't like that individuals like Romney can do that.
I think the Romneys have the most to lose if the country goes bad so give them a chance I have been to south Wales and worked on the farm for $ 1.17 per hour now you know why all the immigrants came to america including greatgrandfather who arrived in 1850.
Mosnana, thecountry is 16 trillion dollars in debt, unemployment is off the charts and all you're worried about is his tax returns. Don't you have something constructive to worry about.
We don't hide anything. We bank in the Cayman Islands and Swiss banks. If you won't work for a bowl of rice a day, we will buy the company you work for and move it off shore. We will end social security and medicare because the rich are not rich enough to trickle down yet. We give our money to a religious cult of Mountain Meadows Massacre and unseen golden tablets. As soon as we are first lady and president we monetary system manipulating war profiteering outsourcing spawn will tell you what Amerika is about. We are the ZioNazi regime and we will march into Iran and start World War III because we know that is what is good for the United States of Israel.
Ron, that's you're answer to the mess this country is in, where are the tax returns? goodness, are you that blind!
You are an idiot with envy. Regardless if Romney wins or loses he will still be wealthy. However if Romney loses we will all be a little poorer and future generations certainly will be worse off while Barrack, Michelle, Nancy, and Harry eat cake.
Poor Ann, I thought she had a honest bone in her body, but NOT..! Or, MITT has been lying to her too? MITT ROMNEY is the ANTI-CHRIST... I have never seen anyone let lies roll off their tongue so easy... NOT EVEN MY DAUGHTER...!!!
Mrs. Romney said if they release any more information, "it will only give them more ammunition."
Well, there ya have it... guilty by admission.
I really could care less about his tax records. I'm much more interested in his accounts with the banks that have been caught up laundering money for the drug, warlords and terrorists and just where the money came from that went into those accounts and where his donations went from them.
This whole meme that "Obama never passed a budget" is bunk:
Politifact calls this claim "mostly false":
www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2012/apr/06/mitt-romney/romney-says-obama-failed-pass-budget/
Our ruling
In his speech, Romney faulted Obama for failing to pass a budget. He was correct that the two times Congress voted on the president’s budget requests, both times they were voted down. But the job of passing a budget resolution is not the president’s. That responsibility falls to Congress, and even then the president doesn’t sign it. As Ellis, our expert, put it: "The president has no role in passing a budget. The president can cajole Congress about passing a budget and advocate for positions and funding levels, but in the end, Congress approves the budget resolution for their own purposes." That’s the difference between this and other claims we’ve rated which blamed Congress for inaction on the budget.
Romney’s statement contains a grain of truth, in that two of Obama’s budget requests failed to pass. But citing those votes leaves a wrong impression -- namely that the votes were anything more than political theater. Romney omitted the more critical information that passing a federal budget is the job of Congress. Given all that, we rate his statement Mostly False.
So, the Obama family is not a role model for the rest of the country? How do you square that? He came from a broken home and is now married with two children that seems fairly well adjusted. He seems like a decent family man. He rise about his station in life. He is what we were taught about in school that anyone can become president if fight for it, but they (Obamas) are not a role model to the rest of the country or are you just speaking in code? Spare me the sefl righteous bullsh!t and just say what you want to say. You do not like who is in office and that is fine, but don't pull this role model crap for the rest of the country. If anything the current president is more of a role model, based on the hurdles he had to overcome in his life. As far as America's come back team. America is coming back from what? A crapper that the new come back team party is responsible for? That's great, let's flip the script and act like nothing took place to have America vote a minority into office. Anyway, I digress. I have no problems with the Romneys. I actually liked Mitt when he was a moderate. I think the issue with American politics is that there are very few moderate politicians around and that is what is hurting this country. Being too far to the left or the right is not good for the middle class or the country.
Every time my ex decides I need to cough up more child support I am required to provide 3 years of tax returns. It is the every day experience of millions of Americans to disclose multiple years of returns. Before I vote for Mitt I want to know all about those offshore bank accounts and tax shelters. Clearly, Mitt is just a lapdog for his fat cat sponsors.
Yes, indeed. She could look down her nose at the poor and the blue collar and cuddle her pony. These people are being sold to us in a Rove package. It was forbidden to vote for Kerry because he was a rich snob--what about Romney?
Please show us 10 years of income taxes and then---stick a fork in Romney. He'll e done. The President has his money in US Treasure Bonds while Mitt has his in the Caymans and Switzerland.
Obama Biden 2012
Nixon wasn't hiding anything, either.
Just by that stupid statement "Mrs. Romney said if they release any more information, "it will only give them more ammunition." she's saying there's something that they're hiding.
This speaks volumes. "There's (sic -- poor grammar) going to be no more tax releases given".... "there's nothing we're hiding." Well, if there's nothing you're hiding, then why can't you release the tax information?
Mitt and Ann Romney are not one of us, folks. Don't be deluded into thinking that Mitt is going to represent your best interests. And lest anyone accuse me of being a "lefty", a socialist, on the dole from welfare, an Obama loyalist, or whatever other moniker/epithet one wants to say, I can tell you that none of the above are true. I just see the Romneys for what they are -- transparent as mud -- and I can see right through their feigned honesty.
For those of you who claim this is no one's business, I take issue with that statement. As a US citizen is MY business, and should be EVERYONE'S business, to see the tax records of the person who aims to be at the helm as the Commander-in-Chief of the US. I will NOT accept that this is none of my business, even if financial disclosure is not legally required. If Romney wins, be prepared for a presidency in which many things will be concealed from you and disclosure and transparency are non-existent.
She's such an over-privileged fraud. It's really tough to scrape that off, too!
For all of you who don't understand what a blind trust is, my family have one. It's similar to an Irrevocable Trust, handled by CPA's or Law Firms, or both. Part of your income goes into the trust, like an IRA, it is invested and grows. Like a Will, beneficiaries, usually, children, grandchildren and charitable organizations, educational colleges are paid upon the death of the spouse, in our case, my father. Once the trust is set up, no one in the family controls it and no one in the family is allowed to view the contents, that is a closed blind trust. It is reported to federal and state tax agencies and managed. Families do this to ensure everyone has a way to support themselves in the future. Beneficiaries can receive lump sum payment, annual installments or have funds reinvested on their behalf, it all depends how the beneficiary payout was originally set up.
I am very proud that Mitt Romney loved his family enough to sacrifice part of his income each month to prepare for their future. My family was not rich, but, my father was smart about finances, and prepared for our futures early and throughout his life. Life has been hard, and those funds have saved more than one mortgage in my family.
Ann Romney made a good point in her interview, they have released all records that are legally required of them. Plus, all Mitt's tax returns as governor are open for inspection, exactly how many more years do they need to release to satisfy the haters out there..
The Romney's have shown integrity and resolve on this issue. This is just an harassment issue for the Obama Camp to use and Obamabots to jump on.. Bottom line, look at the returns that have been released, nothing out of the ordinary, nothing suspicious, just a family working with their hand, brain and talents making a success of their lives. Since when is working hard and reaching the American Dream a crime in this country... Mitt wasn't born with a silver spoon in his mouth..
Mitt's father was born in Mexico and immigrated to this country young in life. The Romney family have worked hard, pulled together, gone to college and served their nation... Obama pales in comparison to the ethics, integrity and service to this country, the Romney's have given.
You want to call someone out on their records.... Call Obama out! He is the one who has spent millions of dollars (literally) sealing every school transcript, college record, travel record, financial record, business record, etc,; not only for himself, but his mother and her travels as well... If that isn't someone with something serious to hide, I don't know what is...
No... Mitt Romney and Paul Ryan have not only insisted on showing a Presidential Administration of transparency, but, demanded the American People hold them accountable if that isn't so.. That is something Obama promised in 2008, but sure hasn't done... No... A new wind of "Fiscal Responsibility" is blowing and I'm ready for a little "R & R" - Romney & Ryan 2012.
If there is nothing to hide show us, just because the Romney's claim there is nothing wrong with the Tax returns don't mean JACK, prove it, the Right bit_hed about Obama's birth certificate and he proved them wrong, so it's about time to man up, and why does Romney look like he is lying and have a guilty look most of the time.
I'll start screaming for the romneys to release their returns when our president releases his school records. I would like to see how a mediocre student, who is doing coke at the time, could afford the expensive schools he attended.
No, but MSNBC is hidng the the racist Biden story. Telling blacks that Romney's going to put them back in chains you all. MSNBC hiding racism on the democrats side continues! Nice F*CK!NG REPORTING!
The liberal media is an embarrassment they just yammer on about Mitt's personal taxes and the evils of the voucher program in Ryans proposals. Why can't they do their job and report on the facts. How will the voucher work. I'd like to have the chance to by pass government bureaucracy and choose my own insurance provider. My insurance co has done me well from an infant to the age of 50. Don't mislead me report the facts.
If there is nothing to hide show us, just because the Romney's claim there is nothing wrong with the Tax returns don't mean JACK, prove it, the Right bit_hed about Obama's birth certificate and he proved them wrong, so it's about time to man up, and why does Romney look like he is lying and have a guilty look most of the time.
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Right back at you just replace Romney with Mr. sealed records, executive priveledge Obama.
earthpig: the same way another mediocre student could skip out on the Air National Guard and drink himself in a stupor? But all is forgiven when you are born again, right? Now, do you see how silly your comment was?
smh
Before I begin, I am not voting for either Romney or Obama so I am talking strictly from an independent viewpoint.
It puzzles me how those in the Democrat side can continue to parrot things like Romney having money in Swiss and Cayman banks. Big deal, I suggest you look into the "trust funds" or super democrat Nancy Pelosi, she too has money in off country banks including the Caymans as do many other democrats. The hypocrisy of the democrats is astounding.
The other thing I see that the Democrats are doing is trashing Romney's budget plans. First off the organizations that produced the claims that Obama has used to coined the term "Romney Hood" are NOT non-partisan groups, they are and have always been liberal think tanks, the Brooksing Institute and Urban Institute. Not only are their "assumptions" incorrect but in fact they have made up segments of the Romney budget plan that aren't even there. You all might want to read the Wall Street Journal report on the utter falsehoods these institutes and similarly Obama and most of the media are making regarding Romney's budget plan. http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10000872396390443792604577574910276629448.html?mod=googlenews_wsj
Although not surprised, the way the so-called compassionate and big tent democrats on this and other boards spew angry epithets and hatred at someone like Ann Romney, when they don't even know her, clearly shows once again their hypocrisy - they are about as compassionate as a hungry Boa Constrictor.
I am pleased with Romney's choice for VP, but regardless, although the pair are somewhat conservative, at least fiscally, I cannot in good conscience vote for them either. The track record of the Republicans is not much better when it comes to growing government. Bush grew the government 20% over that of his predecessor Bill Clinton and frankly the Republicans have for the last sixty years allowed the democrats to run roughshod over the American tax payer. It is time for a change, a REAL change.
Vote Gary Johnson - Libertarian Candidate for President 2012
For all those pathetically jealous idiots who keep harping about the tax returns, the reason Ann said that it would give you more ammo is because you would just see that they do make money and have the very wealth you are so jealous of and hate them for. Quit obsessing on it just because you are pathetic. That family EARNED that money. It's far greedier for people to want to take what someone earned and "share the wealth" than for those to earn it and keep. Simple FACT.
As for Obama being transparent, bull. He has been caught HIDING alot of his past. Why?? Because he is so anti-American it's sickening. You all need to read or watch some of Dinesh Disouza's work with the real truth about Obama. Oh, I forget. liberals do not want to actually listen or read anything other than the drivel they have been programmed to think by their owners!! Yes, you are owned just like a slave because you have the mentality that you NEED the Democrats to take care of you. Pathetic. Just like a very intelligent black woman named Star Parker has named it Uncle Sam's plantation and she's right.
All I will say is that at least the Romney's and Ryan's earned their own money and didn't make their way on the backs of others like Obama and Biden who have always had their careers being paid by taxpayers. And as for destroying jobs, better get the record straight, Obama cost far more jobs than Bain did. Why don't you get the facts about the 100,000 jobs lost at GM dealerships during the government takeover??? Oh, those weren't union jobs, so therefore they weren't bought votes for Obama. Why don't you find out how many jobs Romney saved during his tenor at Bain??? Try about 90,000 at Staples alone with the help they got.
I realize liberals will never read or even consider the facts versus their ideology but I least I put a few points out there.
PS - for the idiot who said that the birthers were wrong about the BO birth certificate. YOU are wrong. There are 3 pieces of evidence that proves it is forged. 1 - Former state official in Hawaii says the codes on the BC prove that numerous blanks were filled in later and left blank at the time of orginal filing. One of those blanks was the birth place. 2 - Someone within his party has admitted to helping alter the records. 3 - Obama's own book Dreams of my Father in its orginal prints said he was born in Kenya. I don't care where he was born, he had an American mother but why does he keep lying and changing his own story. ie the book. Yeah, that show you can't trust him even in the simplest thing.
jahmekan...
No more silly than a person trying to link me to a president I never voted for. And just in case you've forgotten, alcohol is legal in this country whereas cocaine isn't. Now who did what drug?
Het John ever hear anything OBUMMER says, then you are lying if you say you never heard anyone LIE so much.
Poor Annie. Listen up Annie - if you can't handle this how are you going to handle the daily grind of who doesn't like your clothes or the reporting of how much you spent on shoes? How will you handle the reporting of the millions it would cost the taxpayer to have a Secret Service detail at EVERY one of your multi-million dollar homes? In fact, how much is it costing the taxpayer RIGHT NOW?
Of course, I am referring to the people who actually PAY taxes and have to produce more returns to get a loan than dear hubby has produced to run for President? OOOOOOOO! Poor Poor Annie. So put upon by those terrible people!
Obamas' school records are sealed: Called "Mostly false" by factcheck.org
From factcheck.org:
factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/
Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?
A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.
The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word "sealed when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.
In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either. So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the order they appear.
Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.
Govhater - I believe the more ammunition she was talking is how the losers from the left who can't make it on their own will be whining about the Romney's money. I'm so tired of the envy and class warfare from the left. The liberal press and the president will be talking about their tax returns and all the money they made instead of the issues another distraction from the man without a plan for the country let along a budget that he can get passed.
Damn...what a bunch of Romney boot lickers on the vine!! Hypocrits are abounding lately. Ann Robme is nothing but a spoiled little blond twit and liar..much like her stupid husband. Ya'll must have you some purty good "portfolios" to be defending vultures like these good ol Mormons!! Got a clue for you peeps. Only trickle down you're gonna get is the Robmes "peeing on you"!!!!
Ann: If you have nothing to hide, then release those tax returns.
It's not required and it is none of anyone's business beyond what is legally required to satisfy financial disclosure. Get over it and start talking issues.
Those taxes ARE the issue, Ben, let's see how Romney's bottom line is improved by the Ryan/Romney budget.
Actually, if he isn't releasing those returns, then one could say he is hiding them. He's not giving up those returns, that's all I need to know about his finances. He's made my mind up for me.
Waste your energy then. Focus on an issue -- your words not mine -- that will not resonate with the majority of the American public. It's all about the economy and the future of America. That's the issue.
It has been proven that Americans who know that this country's economical situation we find ourselves in is the one true issue that must be focused on first. For example, look at GoProud. It decided to put aside a major issue which Romney/Ryan oppose -- gay marriage -- and put its support behind America's financial future. Impressive and intelligent.
If there were anything wrong in the tax returns, it is up to the IRS to discover that. This reminds me of the old gossip at the fence petty jealousy banter among people who should be putting their energy in places that count -- like cleaning house at the WH.
Ben, It is absolutely the business of the voters. He is running for the highest office in the country. His tax returns are everyone's business.
Carolyn -- Only what is required by law. Don't like the law, then get out and try a grassroots campaign to change it. Where would it end??? Five years? Ten Years? Twelve years? Twenty years? Lifetime? People have a right to privacy after they have satisfied all legal requirements. To request more than that is just petty.
It is an individual's right to determine if they want to provide more than is required. It is an individual's right to be innocent of any wrongdoing until proven guilty. It is an American's right that following the letter of the law. It is UnAmerican to request more.
Ben - you are absolutely right about the jealousy thing. I have never seen so much liberal whining as I have on this topic. It's all about Romney being smarter than the majority of the libs (and cons) and becoming wealthy from it. Hell, my wife and I make in a year what Romney does in a day and a half (about 90K) and I am not bitching a bit. All envy and "where's mine". Pathetic.
Ben: Romney's daddy set the standard. Romney needs to comply. He OWES us that information.
if one cant show his taxes, what else will they hide?
So concerned over how Romney spends his own money and completely blind to how this administration has spent OUR money.
Newday -- No one OWES you anything. The law sets the standard. Don't like the law then you and Carolyn get together and start the movement to change it.
@Talk and cms5 -- So right you are!!!!!
Oddly enough, how the administration spent money is public record.
Care to try again?
Ben: I can guarantee that Ann Romney's continual posturing about the "little people" do not have the right to know is going to help cost them the election. She doesn't wear well.
they can trace obama back to the first documented slave in the united states ~ through his lilly white mothers side too ~
but we cant find what was really going on during college that all his records are gone and not being discussed ~ sounds like somebody took aid as a foreigner~
If you don't like it, change the law, but in the mean time, be quiet.
The Romney's have turned in all that is required by law.
Which is more than could be said of Oblahblah.
Obama Nation: Good moniker: The Romney's are applying to us, the citizens of this nation, for a job. We, the employers, have a perfect right to demand those tax returns. If they continue to refuse to provide them, their application for employment will be rejected.
I am so tired of 'show me the tax returns'. Who cares! Most Americans could care less. He is rich, we all know he is rich and his wife has a third share in a horse. So what! He isn't hiding anything on the level of what our America hating president is. I want a president who is competent. and obviously Romney is VERY competent, and not some community organizer and race baiter that hung around with communist radicals all his life that we now have as our president. See the movie 2016, you can't change the facts about Obama. The left wing media has done a brilliant job keeping the truth about Obama hidden.
Romney/Ryan 2012
Ben if mittens got to look at years of Paul's returns to determine if he was fit to be his VP, we certainly must have the same fight to see his. Romney set the standard, so comply with it
Ben, It is absolutely the business of the voters. He is running for the highest office in the country. His tax returns are everyone's business.
FALSE.......but, while we're on the subject, how bout EVERYONE over Governor have to release them? For ALL years while a public servant ?
And while we're in fantasyland, here's a novel approach.....
Take the 10 top income earners from both parties..................whichever side paid the MOST taxes in the last 10-20 years, can have the Potus office..fair ?
Personally, I don't see either candidate doing the things required to help this country of OURS. One sucks, and the other sucks more. Ashame the vote comes down to which one stinks less....................sighhhhhhh.
Agreed Ben. His tax returns are no more anyone's business, than theirs are in the private sector. He complied with the law and it's time to move on to issues. Further, if there were any issues with his returns outside of the law those issues would have been forefront in the form of a felony suit brought by the IRS way before now. Obviously, there are none.
The IRS has them. Go ask them for a copy.
They'll tell you to go pound sand as well.
And newday..........that's the point. You have a right to NOTHING that the law does not state. And he complied to the law. Otherwise, be quiet. If you don't like it, change the law. But you can't change the law after the fact.
It doesn't surprise me that you show no concern over how this administration has spent money.
i hear a lot of folks who keep saying "it's the law. he's following the law". who do you think writes these laws? same thing with health care. just look at the lifetime coverage these bozos have given themselves. someone suggested a grassroots effort to change laws. how pathetic. you could get all of the support you want from the populace but you still have the politicos in office who will squash it flat. what do you think the chances are of replacing all of those politicians at the same time???
btw - that's a pretty lame excuse coming from the romney camp, "more ammunition for the other side". if there wasn't anything there to begin with...
Ron, Obama wants romneys tax returns so he can make him the bad guy for working hard and smart and making a lot of money. That's it and you know it. Now if you want discloseure why doesn't barry release his personal records? How did a politition make so much money in such a short amount of time like he did? Why can't we see his school records? Romney isn't interested in what barry claims to be. He's interested in getting rid of him so we can turn this country around. Open your eyes.
I am EXTREMELY concerned about how the Republican Party got us into the fix we are in. You should be too.
You, the employer, don't have a legal leg to stand on in your 'demand'. You can stomp your feet all you want. Ignoring the lack of performance and leadership capabilities of the CURRENT 'employee' is negligent.
And now, ladies and gentlemen, we switch you to the blame game channel.
Obama has been in office for 3+ years...so, let's ignore his performance.
Obamanation - you right wing hack! Seriously you must get paid to post your hatred on these types of sights. Keep with the topic - and it is about the Romeny's, not the President.
Voting is about trusting the person you want to represent you and your views plan and simple. I don't know about you, but I don't trust anyone that just says trust me - I have nothing to hide.
You can come up with all your one liners about where's this and where's that from the current administration which is your right - just as everyone else on in this country has the right to question and doubt the viability of the Romeny's.
My personal feeling is that he doesn't really care about America, the economy, or healthcare and the list goes on - all he cares about is the "Title" of President of the United States and the Prestige.
If he really cared he would be out creating jobs, building houses, feed the poor, making sure that his fellow human beings are getting health care - not flying around the country for the past 6 years campaigning.
Dennis -- If Paul did show Romney his tax returns, it was at his own FREE WILL. No one has a right to view another's personal finances beyond what is required by law.
Name calling above? Time to get these debates out of the gutter.
Obama is so forth coming that he put an executive order out that his records be sealed to the public. I have yet to see his transcripts. Romney has followed the law and provided what is needed. Now newday, show me your tax returns.
That would be nice, but rarely seen here.
Obama is an international bankster war profiteering lap dog so cutting down Obama because you are brainwashed into thinking magic underwear man is white and handsome does nothing to hide his elitism and allegiance to monetary system monopolizers, war profiteers and sickness and death for profit health care scammers. Obama is bad Romney would be worse. 54% of government spending goes to the military industrial complex already where CEOs make 10s 100s and even billions off of war. Yes ignorant sadomasochist brainwashed religious fundamentalists should vote for Romney so they can have WWIII leading to their final judgment day of human extinction as soon as possible. It is just ashamed they will have to take good hard working loving humane people that believe in the words of Jesus rather that the words of those described in Revelations 2:9 to the hell of extinction with them.
"If he really cared he would be out creating jobs, building houses.." I guess, Self-Edumakated, we could say the same thing about Obama.
But jobs, debt, housing, energy, blah, blah, blah, all that is secondary to the real issue in our nation: Mitt Romney's taxes. Obama '08!
School records and Tax records are like Apples and Oranges, stop ducking the issue Romney could be a Tax evader that is important. We already know he is a Tax dodger.
Actually the administration doesn't spend OUR money. It's all Congress. Please use facts when at all possible.
Gee, then I guess that means Bush didn't put us in this mess.
Nixon wasn't hiding anything, either.
Just ask the people of Cambodia and Laos.
It isn't about whether he broke any tax laws Ben, and you know it. The issue is about what LOOPHOLES he took advantage of that regular citizens are excluded from making use of. If he can corral tens of millions of dollars for himself in one year by investing loaned and borrowed money, to disassemble American companies, and pay less than 15% in income taxes on that lucre, then we would like to see what made that possible. Were the loopholes written into the tax code in order to incentivize this kind of economic sabotage of our own country?
Ann romney - stop trying to play the victim.
Look at what the Obama family has gone through for the last four years.
If Romney believes in America so much, why didn't he invest here?? instead of banking overseas and outsourcing jobs???
Yes - it's an issue when he personally stands to gain from his policies. He made taxes the issue - this is his bed.
Hey Ben, there is no legal requirement for a candidate to release a birth certificate either, but gee, the GOP and its supporters made a big deal about that. Some still are. You just need to get used to the Democrats playing politics by the Republican rules for a change.
@SM: but there is a constitutional requirement regarding who can hold the office of president.
As to the college transcripts, the president could get aid as a foreigner as his father was not American. That would, however, be a huge political embarassment to him if it came out.
The rightwing/teabaggers have tried their BEST to find ANYTHING on this President to impeach him on, just like they did Pres Clinton, to include a birth certificate of a SITTING President. Unheard of in American History. But the rightwing/teabagging romney won't release AT LEAST 5 years of his tax returns?!?! The rethugs are a pathetic group of hateful, so-called Americans!
mackman-912848
This is the kettle calling the pot black... please reread what your wrote and understand just how hateful you have become. Also understand what the word RHETORIC means please...
using the word "teabagger" (which stands for hanging your balls in someones face) is just a tad bit hateful huh?...oh and once again pathetic.
So funny, now the tea "party" is trying to play the victim - now that's pathetic.
"Teabagger" doesn't do this group the justice they deserve, while "teahadists" is closer to their goal.
The Romney's seem to lie when the true would sound better...
What wrong with being up front with the voters?
If you have nothing to hide then the democrats can't say anything...
So what are you hiding? Swiss Accounts? Cayman accounts? Accounts no-one knows about?
Gee, then I guess that means Bush didn't put us in this mess.
#2.36 - Wed Aug 15, 2012 9:44 AM EDT
Spot on!!!!!
"Ben, It is absolutely the business of the voters. He is running for the highest office in the country. His tax returns are everyone's business"
That's TRUE! Mitt wanted them from Ryan, didn't he? But he won't show his to the American people? His tax returns must show loopholes for which you can bet he'll fight if he were running this country. Hypocrite!
I read a lot of statements about "...have met the requirements of the Law..." What DOES the Law REQUIRE? If Mrs. Romney, and through her, Mr. Romney, take the positions that 1. It would give them more ammunition to attack us on; and 2. We're not releasing any more, because we are not hiding anything, all I can surmise is the The Romneys ARE hiding some unwanted financial deals, and, it may show they are nothing regular rich Republican Politicos, or, it may show they have been doing things that are legal, but unethical. My guess is the latter!
Are we to believe Ann is the finance guru in the family? I'll bet she has even less understanding of the things her husband has done during their lifetime to profit from others misery or to evade paying taxes. Puleeze, she is not the one who knows how to read a balance sheet, and she sure as heck does not manage the team of accountants that are involved in the tax evasion.
Regardless of whether Ann says it or Mitt, the excuse is lame. If they aren't hiding anything, they would never choose to face this criticism. We know for a fact that Romney has paid less than a 13.9% tax rate and that alone looks bad and they know it.
newdayDAWNING...RETURNED
I am EXTREMELY concerned about how the Republican Party got us into the fix we are in. You should be too.(and others also)
I am EXTREMELY concerned about you people that think the democrats are ANGELS in this mess !
EVERY politician on both sides for the last 32 years had a hand in this mess !!
Romney has ADMITTED that he has bank accounts in : Switzerland,Bermuda and in the Cayman Islands, all of which countries are well known as Tax havens, nations where drug dealers,embezzlers and tax cheats hide their loot from the I.R.S.
ROMNEY has created the illusion that he is a tax crook, and so, American voters need to know what the story is...
I don't have any need to open secretive off-shore bank accounts, do you ?
"It will only give the more ammunition" "there's nothing we're hiding."
Which is it Ann? Either your taxes will provide information that will cause all of us to question Romney's fitness for high office, or there is nothing there. Somehow, I am betting on the former.
I had a Welsh pony. Lovely pony but mischievous. He used to like to let the chickens out of the coop, just for giggles. I am quite sure he would have tried to step on Ann's foot as he did with people he didn't like.
Exactly my question newdayDawning - if it will give them more ammunition, then you gotta be hiding something. I don't think it is the amount of taxes they paid (the IRS would or should be all over this if they did not pay any or their required amount), I think it will prove that mitt did not actually live in MA when he ran for and voted in the governors election - federal offense, and Ann may be guilty as well if she did not live there either. That is the big secret they are hiding, the folks in MA know this and it will not go away.
Can't be both, the two statements contradict each other, Union Baby.
From the article: "It's been managed by a blind trust since before Mitt was governor, you know, 2002 forward,” she told Morales.
Romney has always said blind trusts are a "ruse". Therefore, his blind trust is being managed by his colleagues at none other than Bain Capital. Does that sound blind? It doesn't to me either. This just goes to show how cynical and dishonest the man is.
If Mitt's taxes are a ruse, also, it would be interesting to see them, to say the least.
http://finance.fortune.cnn.com/2012/01/24/romneys-blind-trust-ruse/
Where's the Khaledi tapes?
On the topic of blind trusts, this quote defines President Obama's sense of honesty is stark contrast to Romney's dishonest and arrogant character: "As a freshman senator, Barack Obama—whose wealth comes almost entirely from his book royalties—set up a blind trust but later that same year sold all of his stocks and closed the trust because he decided that even such an arrangement could not protect him from the appearance of a conflict. Most of his wealth is now invested in U.S. Treasury bonds and diversified funds—about the most transparent option available."
http://www.vanityfair.com/politics/purdum/2012/07/mitt-romney-age-old-ruse-blind-trust
One term where is your brain. You seem to give Romney a pass on everything, but Obama has to prove everything that has occurred in his life. A bit of double standard, but that is the way of the tea baggers. They don't want the truth the only want to harass. With an emphasis on the 3 letters.
Two comments: Romney's secret tax stuff is in the same drawer as Obama's real birth certificate (in other words, both stories are a load of garbage). And as for all you nice folks from Massachusetts, what can we say...you keep electing Kennedys and rooting for the Red Sox. The only thing that could be worse is being from Illinois (specifically, Chicago).
BTW, anybody who takes offense at this really needs to lighten up...I'm a Brooklyn Dodger fan who liked Nixon!
NEWDAYDAWING... Why dont you ask obama for the RETURN of your OWN MIND.
You are asking an individual has accomplished all the requirements for "The Job"...
Why are you so worried about what he "MIGHT" be hiding and you have not the slightest bit of curisoty about the Histroy of the MAN now Running OUR COUNTRY (into the ground).
Hear his latest ad... "We must all GIVE OUR FAIR SHARE" remember that next year when you fill out YOUR taxes... Insure you DO NOT fudge on a penny of what is YOUR FAIR SHARE.
And for all of you who can think of nothing more then where's his taxes. I Have yet to hear from one of you, no not one of you what you expect to find in them (Provided you would be able to understand them)... Oh I'm sorry, I forgot, you DON'T HAVE TO THINK FOR YOURSELVES, Yall just wait for orders from the master.
I am just sorry we all have to wait until around AD 4377 for Hale Bop to pass earth again, cause I am sure it forgot to pick up a few more passengers.
Actually I personally do not care one way or the other about his tax returns because he is not going to be the president. But I do find it hilarious that they did not anticipate this. As far as whether or not the IRS would say it is all legal....that is the point of the offshore acount, you don't need to report that income to the IRS. That is why it is fishy
Wow, pretty defensive, aren't you Times? The better question is what are YOU afraid of if those taxes are released?
http://www.smh.com.au/world/obamas-private-chat-to-medvedev-made-public-by-hot-microphone-20120327-1vvi5.html
This right here tells you all about honesty. This great messiah we have in office would never try to put anything over on the american people.
Here is how Ronmey should release his tax returns for the past 10 years:
Column 1: Year
Column 2: Taxes Paid for that year
Column 3: Charitable Donations for that year
...end of story...
...BTW, why is it that only one Presidential candidate (Obama) has never release their college transcripts? What does Prez-0 have to hide?
...in the logic of Harry Reid, it proves he never went to college.
I just can't believe her. Just like she was a stay at home mom, but doesn't say that she had nannies and servants to do whatever she needed....I'm sure Mitt has everything to hide. She's a Mormon's wife and at the very least, they have to serve their husbands and protect them in a way no other religion demands. It is also protecting her way of life. She's a princess and doesn't want to give that up for anything.
Hello? What other Presidents or candidates have even been asked to release their transcripts?
I don't know what is in the returns, but we don't have anything to hide. And I can say that because we don't have anything to hide and even if we did, we wouldn't know it because I don't know what is in the returns.
It is the vast left wing conspiracy (voters) that is out to do us harm.
Obama was editor of the Harvard Law Review and graduated Magna Cum Laude from Harvard Law School. Pretty easy to research. Keep it up with the Birther crap. I'm sure you wear your foil hat when you sleep.
But, but Rush and Karl says.........
Didn't you know that harvard will only hire morons but not the geniuses like Bush. Bush grades they said was c's and d's while in school any dummy knows that C is can do better and D's is darn good while A's is awful and b's is bad.. Heck there was an eye witness that was found by the famous Arizona sheriff to Obama being borned in Kenya the witness was four days old and seen it so its true !!
The 10% charitable donation that the Romney's declare on their taxes, is made to the Mormon church...
Not the Salvation Army, UNICEF etc. it's to the Mormon church in Salt Lake City...
It is required by the church of every Mormon...
I thinks it's hilarious (if it wasn't so contradictory) that Ann Romney says "we have nothing to hide" and then end of the interview she actually states "And so, you know, I'll be curious to see what's in there too."
How does she know she has nothing to hide if she doesn't know what's in there?
You don't see a contradiction here? And if not, why not?
@SM - all other candidates have released their college transcripts
@Suburban Gorilla - so why does he not release them?
@Clayton - What does GWB have to do with Obama keeping his college transcripts sealed from public review? Do try to keep up with the adults.
Can we discuss this without calling each other names? Please? I would like to keep this civil...
That being said, IF Romney had done anything illegal - the IRS would have been on him. If I were Romney, however, I would say "I'll be happy to release 10 years of tax returns IF Obama will release his college transcripts" - and see what happens.
Romney is the first guy running for President in a while who has no visible vices - not only did he not inhale (like Clinton), he didn't smoke. GW Bush had issues with alcohol and probably cocaine, Obama admitted in his own autobiography that he "did a little blow" and smoked pot, etc. Romney is squeaky clean - he hasn't done any illegal substances, hasn't cheated on his wife, etc. About the only thing he's done that some people find distasteful - he's made a lot of money. So yeah, if they release those tax returns, I can see the Dems using them as ammunition even if Romney has done nothing illegal.
However, if Obama also releases his college transcripts, then I think it would be worth it... and honestly, I'm curious about them, just like I am sure Dems are curious about the tax returns!
Actually, if you were Romney, you would know better than to trade ten years of your tax returns for Obama's college transcripts. Romney knows what his tax returns would reveal about himself, and knows that they would ruin his chances to get to the Presidency. He doesn't know what Obama's grades would reveal, or if anyone would care while they were simultaneously looking over Mitt's economic history.
Wouldn't it be hilarious if somehow Willard's returns ended up in the hands of WikiLeaks in mid-OCTOBER? SURPRISE! Gues you should have shown some leadership skills and gotten out in front of this fiasco Mr. Romney. So sad, too bad.
First Obama graduated from Columbia University accepted into Harvard Law - which one needs to have fairly decent grades.
Then selected as Editor and then President of Harvard Law Review - and they don't give that to just anyone.
And to graduate Harvard Law School with a "J.D. Magum Cum Laude" - you don't do that with just "C's and B's".
Of course, none of this would of been an issue if he was white.
"Hey GOP/teahadist - the cleaners called and your hoods should be ready in time for the convention in Tampa"
I am kind of wondering who will save America from Mitt... if we don't' get involved, get motivated, get people to the polls... can we save America from ourselves?
Well she's still there with the 77k a year tax break, a dancing horse. How sad that they get a tax break that big. Here in this country where some people are lucky to make 77k in 3 years. Most people are lucky to get a tax deduction on the interest on their home.
And then she has the NERVE to call that mare a "therapy horse." As if she has ever met a REAL therapy horse who actually does that kind of work!
Where's the Fast-and-Furious emails?
Exactly, show us the e-mails!
obamanation; boo hoo! two can play that game:
Where's the hard drives?
obamanation; boo hoo! two can play that game:
Where's the hard drives?
One Term and Pink - you both have probably heard a little thing called "on going investigation right?" so once the investigation is over they will get there documents. Pretty simple - unless you both want to put other undercover law enforcement operations and officers in harms way.
Class warfare rhetoric - Obama can't run on his record; all he can do is attack.
Have you noticed how the right can't stay on topic? We're talking Mitt's tax returns. Not Obama. Not college records. Not birth certificates. Not fast & furious. Not Nixon. Not class warfare. We can discuss all those things later. Where are the tax returns?
All Mitt needs to do to shut us all up is release them. Case closed.
And BTW, not just Democrats, but plenty of Republicans and Independents want to see them too.
All you hypocrites on the left where was your concern for tax returns when John Kerry was running for President the man who tried to cheat the MA taxpayers out of taxing by keeping his sailboat in RI. I'm sure Teresa Kerry who is richer than Ann Romeny had nannies for her children growing up.
Let's talk about that honest VP canidadte John Edwards. LOL
Let's talk about giving to charity - Obama , Biden, Keery some of the cheapest men you will ever meet but have no problem spending taxpayer's money to support the poor.
That's right being rich is only evil when your a Republican.
What a crock. Nobody believes Mitt is an honest guy. The only people voting for him are the wealthy, to protect themselves. Unfortunately, there's a lot of them. The republicans have made America suffer needlessly for the last three years, just so they can win an election.
Well I know several people who are voting for him that are nowhere close to wealthy. And yes it is to protect themselves from the rampant, runaway, destruction of the American Dream.
What a contradiction in statements. How can there be a lot of wealthy Republicans when the left claim they only represent the 1%? That shouldn't even worry you then -- but it does because you know you are wrong.
Talk to the Hand.....the destruction of the american dream started many, many years ago. And it will take many, many years to change it. And it won't be changed by self-serving, foul-ball politicians.
Ben, the 1% have dangled the carrot to those near the 1% for so long they think they actually have an opportunity to achieve it, haha, the joke is on them. Makes no sense to me for a $50,000 a year wanna be millionaire to vote with the 1% and I won't do it. again, it is not just the big money and taxes, it goes much deeper than that, it is a felony to vote where you don't live and that is what the robme's are really hiding.
Where's the Solyndra emails?
What I find funny is it is greedy to want to keep the money you make but not greedy to want the money others make. If Obama is reelected our country will never recover. Let's face it all politicians are corrupt. I would rather have one who does not put America down and values things like our flag. Obama is a socialist and one day the lib's will look back on him like they do Jimmy Carter. Probably a lot worse!
Why is it that people think the 1% is comprised of only Republicans? 9 of the top 12 wealthiest members of Congress are Democrats for Christ's sake. It makes absolutely no sense to vote for, anybody, if your making wealth out as an issue.
The top 1% are made up of all types of people, I don't care about who they are, what I do care about is, is our government giving an unfair advantage to corporations through their lobbying of laws that cause an unfair disadvantage to others. Do you like that?
I agree. But if your insistent on attacking the business sector you are also attacking jobs as well. There is an estimated 2 trillion dollars setting idle in the business sector because nobody wants to risk it, when there is uncertainty in the current and pending tax codes. Something has to be done to at least set a path of consistency that business can adapt to but if your position is, I want it all and your pinning your hopes on Obama getting it, your hopes won't bear any fruit.
We have a defunct culture in Washington. The only way to correct it is with a vote. IMHO, a vote that does not favor the current politicians in Washington. This culture has been growing in the petri dish of both DEM and REP for legions. And it will take us legions to correct it.
Please tell me Romneyisadisaster where in the Obama platform it states he is going to eliminate corporate taxes? What do call the bailout of banks and GM during the Obama Administration. Corporate welfare is supported on both sides.
Those working class Americans who support the corporate puppets Mitt/Paul and the GOP are so dumb because they are supporting those who will do more harm to the working class. Why would supporters of the corporate puppets vote for their candidates who have a plan to increase taxes for them while cutting taxes for those who like Mitt don't pay taxes on his millions. Sorry for calling the working class who support the corporate puppets dumb but what else would you call someone who is willing to cut of their nose to spite their face. Remember stupid is what stupid does. I can't believe there are so many working class Americans who would even think about voting for the corporate puppets, especially since there is so much evidence out there to prove the facts.
Well since they're all corporate puppets I assume you have no options to vote for.
Well hell, coming from her, that changes everything.
Put up, or shut up.
Where's the list of visitors to the White House for the first three months?
Obamanation- You keep asking about all these things yet you have no interest in Romneys Taxes? That's the problem. It's birth certificates, college transcripts, emails when it's Obama. You ask for all this transparencey from him but Romney isn't even expected to honor the standard set by EVERY other presidential candidate before him even his own father and release a larger number of returns. It's not about being "legally required" it's about the fact that EVERYONE else has released more than 11/2 years of returns. These things you are asking from the Obama camp have NEVER been asked of a president or candidate before. Hypocrit much? There is too much evidence to support that Romney has had a history of Tax Evasion. Look at the son of boss scandal. Look at the 220 million dollars in fines that were assessed to Marriott for tax evasion from when Mitt was on the board and was their auditor. No one cares that he has made so much money personally. The issue it that it speaks more to how he made that money. When you use tax evasion schemes and pay less in taxes than you should that falls back on other americans as it hurts our economy. To be honest "it just aint right". It shows his lack of integrity, honesty and it sets the tone as to what is most important to Romney, his own PERSONAL gain. It shows that his priority is not to the economy or even to the american people. His priority and loyalty would not be to make america better for everyone he would only be helping "his people" which are the already rich and himself. Paul Ryan is no better. He doesn't even want to bring up jobs considering Obama's jobs bill has been sitting there since before last September waiting to be voted on but Ryan and the likes can't find time to vote on it yet they can find time to vote 34 or 37 times to repeal Obamacare. The Republicans have set out to make Obama a one term president since the start. They have used every tactic in the book to block him at every turn because they know that most americans forget how our government works. They forget that the people they vote for and place in these positions are actually the ones who have to approve/disapprove what happens in this country yet Obama is blamed for inactivity that really has nothing to do with him. As for all this talk about his taxes, Romney could put all this to rest and just follow the same standard as everyone else has been held to and release his taxes but in true rich guy fashion he somehow feels that he should be given special treatment which again just shows me what kind of person he is. It's only a "distraction" as the Romney camp calls it because he won't put it to rest. Bottom line is vote how you like as that is a right that you are entitled to. I personally don't want to vote for Obama but seeing as the best the Republicans can come up with as an alternative is Romney/Ryan they have left me no choice because I will not vote for Romney under ANY circumstance. I'd rather take my chances with this administration than give control to someone who thinks they are above the rules and will do nothing but try and make himself and "his people" richer while the rest of America foots the bill.
Damn that was a good read! You put into words so concisely my exact feelings. Thank you.
What rules? There are no rules to submit returns. I think this whole idea of "Romney release your returns" is no better or different than "Obama release your transcripts". Neither are rules or LAW. It just distracts from the issues and both sides are at fault for this off topic behavior. The majority of America is looking out for themselves, not just Romney or Obama. And if the LAW allows it, so be it until the LAW is rewritten. Then saying Republicans are obstructing Obama is as ridiculous as saying Harry Reid isn't obstructing progress from the Senate. There is absolutely no compromise from either side. And we have no leadership to pull it together or nobody would have an argument. Snakes are in both hen houses of the major political parties. Anyone who doesn't see that, has lost their mind.
The Republicans in the Senate, a MINORITY of 41 out of 100, have blocked the will of the MAJORITY 59, hundreds if times. They Killed bills which had majority approval, through the use of the FAKE FILIBUSTER. Try to understand this, a REAL filibuster only has the power to DELAY a vote on a bill, the FAKE FILIBUSTER shelves the bill unless someone who voted against it wishes to bring it back up for a vote. That is patantly undemocratic and Unconstitutional to allow the MINORITY to have the power to obstruct indefinitely, a vote which would be won by a simple majority. Temporary obstruction is fine, delay is ok, but permanent shelving is wrong. To argue that the Republicans haven't been obstructionists to the will of the MAJORITY is moronic. The both side do it argument is childish. Grow up, and grow a pair while you're at it.
Who shelves the bills in the Senate under the FAKE FILIBUSTER (non-rule)? A gentleman named Harry Reid does it Paul. To deny the both side argument is perhaps more childish.
And thank you for your kind personal remarks toward me. I always appreciate affirmation of my thoughts as to the far left crowd.
....yeh, like telling Detroit, "I bought my two CADILACS here" (to support its ailing auto industry). This lady has no concept of America's suffering and what poverty means while her hubby wants to create jobs for all -probably teaching them how to hide their earnings in overseas banks and tax haven islands and calling it LEGALLY with the IRS loopholes? American Republicans make me laugh and so do the suckers who selectively want to get rich with their lobbiests next door in Washington.
Where's the Fulbright Scholarship application?
Puhlease, you all are conflating Obama's school records with Romneys taxes? No one cares about the grades, all they want is to see if he applied as a foreign exchange student, at least ask the question you really want answered, don't BS us with all this seemingly sincere "where are the grades" crap!
From factcheck.org:
factcheck.org/2012/07/obamas-sealed-records/
Q: Are Obama’s early records “sealed”?
A: No. Many records that presidential candidates don’t ordinarily release do remain confidential, but they are not “sealed” by a court. The 16 claims in a widely distributed graphic are mostly false or distorted.
The idea that any Obama record is “sealed” is a falsehood, to start. The word “sealed” when applied to documents ordinarily refers to records that would normally be public, but that a judge has ruled cannot be released without the court’s permission. Common examples of truly “sealed” documents include records of crimes committed as a juvenile or records of adoptions. None of the claims in this message refers to records actually “sealed” in that usual sense.
In some cases, the records this screed claims are “sealed” are actually public, and open for anyone to see. Other supposedly “sealed” records are normally private documents that Obama hasn’t released — and that other presidential candidates haven’t released either.
So as with earlier versions, this is little more than an attempt to raise suspicions by
asking for records that aren’t ordinarily made public, without any evidence that those records contain anything derogatory. We’ll take the claims and questions in the order they appear.
Claims #1, 2 and 4, college records. Obama’s college records are not “sealed” by a court order, as this graphic would have you believe. It would be illegal under federal law (the Family Educational Rights and Privacy Act of 1974) for Occidental, Columbia or Harvard Law School to give any former student’s records to reporters or members of the public without that person’s specific, written permission. Obama hasn’t released them, but neither have other presidential candidates released their college records. George W. Bush’s grades at Yale eventually became public, but only because somebody leaked them to the New Yorker magazine. Bush himself refused to release them, according to a 1999 profile in the Washington Post.
http://www.smh.com.au/world/obamas-private-chat-to-medvedev-made-public-by-hot-microphone-20120327-1vvi5.html
Honesty at its best!
GWB: "Some people call you the Elite, I call you, my base"
Honesty at its best!
Romney/Ryan: rich and richer!
stupid vine and it's url requirements!
Link to the above "you are my base" video:
www.youtube.com/watch?v=mn4daYJzyls
the rampant destruction of the american dream was caused by bush and the neo-cons who support romney, ryan, the destruction of medicare, social security, public education, the end of the epa, the end of fresh air and water, and conquring the world one war at a time, which means the end of so many young lives.
many of those voting for romney/ryan dont even realize how their lives will be negatively affected and how it will cause the rampant destruction of the american dream.
You mean much the same way they had no clue in 2008 and voted for Mr. Hope/Change?
1.7 million illegals signing up for the green card "mandate" and executive order by Obama. And don't give me the Reagan BS either. I didn't like it then either.
you are talking to yourself in the mirror again hand, Hope and change have worked very well for me and my working/middle class family, thanks for asking!
Where's the Selective Service application?
kr-2875346: Yeah we start a lot of wars, but as for conquring the world we haven't won a war in how many wars now??
I'm with you Union Baby. Much better financially than I was 4 years ago. Operate a small retail business in the rural midwest and have broken sales records last three years. Obama in the White House has been good here.
4 more years!
Just because there is nothing to hide doesn't mean that the Obama attack machine wouldn't lie about what they find in Mitt's tax returns. Remember George H.W. Bush and the October surprise. He supposedly flew a secret mission on an SR-71 to keep the American hostages in captivity until after Reagan was elected. The line from the Dems then was, well, there's no proof but the charges are so serious that we have to look into it, even though it was patently ridiculous and proved to be about as credible a story as sightings of Big Foot. The Dems will take whatever they find and make something out of it no matter what. If we are going to ask for full disclosure how about having a peek at Obama's mortgage documents in conjunction with his house purchase from the convicted Tony Rezko? How about a peek at his college transcripts to prove he is as smart as the Left claims? Obama wouldn't even prove that he was an American Citizen by birth, which is a consitutional requirement. You want to talk about disclosure, how about looking for those things. How many years of Harry Reid's tax returns have we seen? How about looking at Michelle's employment record for the job she had in Chicago before moving to DC? How did she get that puff job? How many hours a week did she put in working at it? This crap about the Republicans and the wealthy is just another attempt at smoke and mirrors to cover up who the real wealthy are. Ever heard of Hollywood? Some of the wealthiest people in the world and not exactly a hot bed of conservatisim. The term Limousine Liberal came about for a reason. Ever heard of the Kennedys? The Johnsons? FDR? The Cuomos? John Kerry? You Liberals make me laugh. You are the 1% and you have made your money by keeping the poor "down on the farm", your farm, while telling them that they are being oppressed by the Republicans. After Jimmy Carter ran the country into the ground Reagan and Bush gave us one of the greatest economies ever for 12 years. Obama is a joke, and a bad one at that. Get your blinders off people and look at the country. He had two of those three years you speak about where the Dems controlled it all. What happened then? It got so bad that the third year we decided to put some adults back in charge in 2010. This year we make even bigger changes.
B.S. The gov't has been building debt since the great depression. With interest compounding and the can being kicked down the road for damn near a century. That is why we're in debt. If anyone is basing a vote along party lines or some past President when ALL hands are dirty, it is purely through uneducated bias.
Debt is fine, so long as it grows as a small percentage of the GDP. That ratio went haywire while under REAGAN.
As for Ann Romney: She doesn't know what is in the tax returns because she admits that she hasn't seen them.....didn't she have to sign them? And if she hasn't looked them over, how does she "know" there would be any ammunition in them for the liberal critics to make use of? She's either an ignorant blind faither, or a conwoman just like her conman husband.
The last two Republican administrations ended with bailouts. Daddy Bush bailed out the Savings and Loans. Junior Bush and his toadies (Ryan) bailed out Wallstreet. There won't be enough money in the world for the next Republican bailout. If you want to know where all the money went, look in Switzerland and the Caymans.
Had a nearby savings and loan near me when I lived in Maryland that closed its doors when the savings and loans had went bankrupt. At the time it showed the headones of them at the time and there was more than one Bush that was and they "earned" millions frm the bankrupcy so thats one reason I have against the Bush Family pocketing bankrupt monies same goes for Romney
There would be no need for debt if spending fell under GDP levels. And you are preaching to the choir on Reagan. His spending was ridiculous. Raised enormous revenue that could have paid all debt but spent like a quack. And Greenspan back then? What was he smoking? Politicians make horrible fortune tellers. We're dealing with another one now and probably several more until we get it right.
Union Baby - of course its work well for you your one of Obama paid lackey groups and being from TN are you a state union employee who gets his paycheck off the back of the state taxpayers!
@obamanation -- Selective Service registration.
Obama’s Selective Service registration
is public. A copy has been posted publicly, and the Selective
Service confirmed that Obama registered for the draft on Sept. 4, 1980, and
was given registration number 61-1125539-1.
What a silly old cow. If you have nothing to hide, the make your tax records public. I've had enough of you and your husband.
Where's the college transcripts?
Let us see yours (probably have not paid a dime). Hell, we haven't even seen Obama's paperwork---and he is already "in office".
Please tell me what other presidential candidate has been asked for college transcripts, let alone had them demanded! I'll wait...
What about Romneys college transcripts? Where are they?
Ann Romney a silly cow what dose that make Mochelle Obama with her big fat azz!
I can understand why they don't want to release their tax returns ... It would be hard for 99.9% of the population to understand how people can have so much money, and pay so little in taxes.
If you "have nothing to hide" and are "transparent" then release your tax returns. Don't hide them from the public.
Why'd Michelle get disbarred?
Excellent question----one of MANY that are never asked (much less demanded) of this crooked ChiTown couple. Neither of these "affirmitve action" buffoons have even actually practiced law. And to think that she (MoBo) pushes health on the rest of us--- with that huge, grotestque booty ? Come on! That mama has inhaled a lot of chow in her day.
How about the actual birth certificate ---not some gimmied facsimile---and academic records from welfare-boy Obambo?
She let her license expire, because she didn't plan to practice law again.
An Obama supporter calling out someone on the basis of transparency? We don't even have to discuss birth certificates, college transcripts and etc. to lay the dog on the front porch of the White House, today.
What would happen if they actually did release their returns? Obviously they are legal or the IRS would be all over it. So then what? You want to see they are rich? Ok, duh, they are filthy rich. So then what? Did they take advantage of tax loopholes? I'm sure they did. Would you willingly pay taxes you didn't have to? Are you jealous that he has a better tax person than you do? If he has money in 'tax havens' it wouldn't be on his return anyway, right? So what good would it do to see them?
You know come to think of it I have yet to see Romney's Birth cert. Where is it?
Ha ha! Good one!
@Obamanation--Mrs. Obama did not get disbarred.
This is a verbatim quote from the ARDC Website, found at:
#7
To reiterate:
1) According to the ARDC, ALL lawyers who requested inactive
status prior to 2000 had to obtain a court order in order to receive it.
2) There are NO disciplinary actions against Michelle Obama.
3) Her license is listed as "VOLUNTARILY [emphasis is mine] inactive."
In other words, before 2000, any lawyer who wanted to go on
VOLUNTARY inactive status had to get a court order to do so. Therefore, ALL
lawyers who voluntarily became inactive - did so via COURT ORDER. There were NO disciplinary actions against Mrs. Obama. She is eligible to return to active
status at any time by paying her fees and completing the continuing education
required of all lawyers.
So, the ARDC's site indicates that her VOLUNTARILY inactive status came at HER request and was granted by a court order, as was ROUTINE before 2000.
NOTHING on their site says or implies that there was a
disciplinary aspect to it.
You waste your time giving true facts to the less educated.
Whats the big deal, if you don't know that ALL politicions are dishonest, you had better start over again. Get a brain!!!
They don't have anything to hide, they just don't want 99% of American's see how the the 1% pay zero taxes using our system of Socialism for the rich...
Where's the Khaledi tapes?
Guess they don't want the American people to know what muslims really think about Jews.
Is it illegal to have a good tax guy? Is it illegal to tax advantage of 'loopholes' to pay less taxes? If he has money in illegal tax havens (or whatever the left is crying about) it wouldn't be on his return, so that couldn't be proved or disproved anyway. You really think low income people pay taxes? With child tax credits and EIC and goodness knows what else, the majority of low income people pay little to zero taxes. Is that ok? They use government assistance, shouldn't they have to pay their proportionate share? Why should the wealthy have to foot the bill for those who are not?
Obama is the most unAmerican president we have ever had. Redistribution of wealth? That is socialism. I watched the Romney Ryan speech when Ryan was first named as running mate. Their ideas are how America USED to be at it's height. Empowering people to make their own success rather than have a few successful people supporting the "less fortunate". Who are actually not "less fortunate" but f****g LAZY! Americans...get off you asses, get back to work and make something of your life. Obama wants to take that all away. He has tried to divide this country and no self respecting president would EVER try and divide his people. For we are stronger united than divided. It makes me sick that he even has supporters. I will take Romney and Ryan. They do not espouse socialism, which is fundamentally UNAMERICAN.
graylady25: are you Ayn Rand come back to life?
As John Stuart Mill wrote:
He also said:
#12.3: They do not espouse socialism, which is fundamentally UNAMERICAN
Let's see, examples of socialism in America, exactly the way the founders wanted:
1] The five branches of the US Military- ALL of the active members of the US military are employed by one of the largest socialist employment systems EVER created in humanity.
2] The VA (Veterans Administration)- When they are dsicharged, all military personnel can apply to QUALIFY for Tri-Care, the military health care system. Not all qualify, which is another topic.
3] Social Security Insurance- Most contributions to the system come from "payroll taxes" part of which get deposited directly into the SS fund, and then disbursements are made to qualified individuals. Yes, "we the people" contribute AND collect from an insurance program created in 1948. It is currently solvent until 2035 with 2.6 Trillion in it's account.
4] Medicare Insurance- Contributions come from "payroll taxes" as above, and all qualified Americans over age 65 (or 67) can collect.
5] Federal Government employees: ALL federal government employees have access to their healthcare program. This includes ALL of the Senate, Congress, and Executive branches, not just the officeholders, but their staffs as well.
I'm not going to do the deep research, but my best guess is that of the 320 million Americans alive today, about 65% of them are currently participating in one of the above "socialist programs". How very UNAMERICAN of them!
Which wife is she? Number 1, 2 3 or?
Typical LIB,
Can't address any real issues so you act like a FOOL
Speaking of wives....
Why was Michelle disbarred from practicing law?
Obama Nation: She wasn't.
Jerry,
I don't think Obamanation is a lib!
Why would a genuine immoral leftist care??? Never have before!
justice, wasn't responding to Obamanation, was responding to Bushdiver.
justice, wasn't responding to Obamanation, was responding to Bushdiver.
Yes, but Obamanation was being the Fool!
Bushdiver...you must not know much about history. If you're talking about polygamy, the Mormons quit practicing that so Utah could get statehood.
oh really, is that why there is a popular TV show about a guy who is actually doing that, and now that he is getting in trouble is trying to lobby the state of Utah(using the marriage equality act no less) to change the law back to the old way?
I am glad Romney is your nightmare. The reality is, he is EVERY liberals nightmare including your illustrious leader Obama. So much so, in fact that all his campaign is about is smear tactics and hatred. He has nothing positive to use in his campaign, so he tries to smear Romney and Ryan. And never forget that Obama HIMSELF said in 2008 that if he can't get this economy straightened out in 3 years, he would be a one term president. His exact words were "this will be a one term proposition" NOW he says "I need more time" Why doesn't he live up to his own words and not run again? That is what he said 4 years ago. Why can't he keep ONE campaign promise he made?
I will happily vote for Romney. absolutely. It takes a businessman to get us out of this mess. Obama has not a clue how to do it...so it is time for a change. And I much prefer the ideals of Romney and Ryan to those of the socialist pig Obama.
Give who ammo? Must be some might creepy tax returns. McCain dumped him because of those tax returns. No transparency already. Willard put out six years and be half the man your father was.
Gateway - if he was not good enough for john mccain in 2008, then why should we suddenly believe he is good enough for us now? He was not then and he is not now. Sorry mitt you are damaged goods, better to accept it now and get over yourself.
I don't think it was just the tax issue that kept McCain from picking this guy.
That's it liberal losers, only those who oppose your messiah have to release all information about their past just to satisfy your peanut sized brains cause your lord and masters, the democrats, made you good for one thing in this country, to whine and complain.
How come your not on the posting site for Dumb FUX NEWS?
Oh, that's right...dumb FUX doesn't like it's disciples have their own opinion...
done with dc ......whine and complain.
Your doing a fine job of whine and complaining yourself. Thank You!!
donewithdc, it does not seem to be the liberal leaning posters on this site who are whining, more like you and ben, guess you pulled up the wrong website today - your mistake to my great amusement. it is called politics, don't like the heat? Get on out of the kitchen, cause it gets really hot and vicious in most any campaign these days - ever since tricky dick got caught with his hand in the cookie jar you guys are on a rapid treck to defend anyone or anything associated with republicans or wealth, even if there is no honest defense, and now that we are fighting back you are caught with your drawers around your knees. Better get used to it, most of us working/middle class folks are pretty sick and tired of trickle down, we are ready for trickle up - see how the 1% likes that for a change, we are not going away, we are loud, and we vote.
Union Baby,
As I (Engineer degree, working in IT-way underpaid for my education) and my wife (LPN-family practice; 25 years in the business, way underpaid for her education) often say, we do not mind being peons, but we're a little upset with being constantly PEED ON, by the bosses, doctors, patients, and employees whom ALL DEMAND WE HELP THEM WHEN THEY "NEED" it. However, I do not see the bosses or doctors caring about our health care or kids' education when they all vote Republican intending to lower the precious "job creators" taxes while also voting to keep peeing on the little people.
Typical lib. Education is the ticket and I deserve what I think I do. I wish I could buy you guys for what you are worth and sell you for what you think you are worth. I could retire on the French Riviera without a care in the world.
Typical Republican paid shill. You must be in marketing or sales, judging by your implied overstatement of your own worth. I wish I had a dime for each of your ilk that made my job harder and subsequently got canned for adject failure.
BTW, engineers and nurses are grossly underpaid for the work they do and the services they provide. Keep that in mind when you drive a car or get a physical.
talk to the hand- You don't know a thing about me but can comfortably throw insults such as BUYING another human being from behind your keyboard.
As #15.6 mentioned, the next time you need to fly on an airplane or use your refrigerator or drive your car, thank an engineer. The next time you need medical help thank a nurse. Making fun of people who provide the base level of care and support in this country just shows the type of person YOU ARE. ( I bet you would rather our jobs get outsourced to India or China the way Bain Capital did with their "investments")
BTW, if you follow me on this vine and/or care to know, you will find that I do not overinflate my worth, having sold one of the three companies I have founded since 1982 (underwater listening devices-oil field services) to HALLIBURTON in 1997; I have enough money for the rest of my life. The part "you people" don't understand is that I am also concerned about those less fortunate than myself.
The Romney's will release the tax returns as soon as Mr. Obama releases his college transcripts. Let's see what Mr. Obama is hiding, and I doubt its a 'Big Mac and fries' destined for Mrs. Obama.
Where is Harry Reid's tax returns and his 'un-named source' that Romney hasn't paid taxed in 10 years...Reid is a &^*%#$* liar...
When did georgie release his college transcripts? He did release his tax returns (showing he actually voted in the state where he legally lived, which mitt can not do and that is the problem, not really the money). Maybe John Huntsman's dad is not ready for the spotlight just yet, but I'm thinking he is the source.
Georgie, as you put it, is no longer an issue. He's not running for President.
I think J. McCains camp did it.
Reid should tell who squealed on Romney so Romney can get him fired for exposing him.
I didn't know Harry Reid was running for Prez. That must have been on Fox news.
No we haven't anything to hide Except our Tax Returns. I'll bet Mutt Romey and his wife haven't paid a Dime in Taxes. Ryan's wife is a Tax Expert by profession so I bet he doesn't pay any Tax'es either. And why should they pay Tax'es when there are so many little people in this country to make up for what the Wealthy don't pay.
Oh Ann!!! Release the fuqn taxes. Oh we give 10% of our earnings to charity. Yeah, we all do annie!!
shane i don't think you give 10 percent but i bet you get more then that back...I know i only give what i can afford when i can afford it and that isn't 10 percent does that make me a bad person? Or should i ask for a handout... I have to ask if you have paid your taxes or are you one of the 49 percent that don't pay? just asking
not everyone does a lot of people give nothing to charity!
He may say he gives 10% to charity, and may even take a deduction for giving to a charity(namely the church of Mormon). It doesn't necessarily mean that he actually did give to charity.
Releasing the tax returns wouldn't necessarily expose any tax fraud regarding charitable donations.
If Mrs. Romney admittedly does not know what is in their tax returns but feels it would be "more ammunition," her entire argument makes no sense whatsoever.
Are you all serious? Really? You are screaming for Romney to release his returns....where is the outrage for dear leader to give up anything he has sealed and been hiding since before '08. You libs redefine the term "hypocrite"!
Actually georgie set prescidence and many laws that make it easier for any president (even this one, much to your chagrin) to seal anything they want. Did not hear you complaining back then, me thinks you do protest too much. (Shakespear)
Being that I wasn't into politics or posting on boards such as this at that time you would not have heard me complaining back then. You have no facts but you seem to know if enough to post inaccurately. Hmmmmm....cries LIB!!!!
poor bone - don't read your history do you? Don't you know that you make little if any sense? I have actually lived the travesty of trickle down, not in the cushey confines of the bedroom in my parents home, but working, on my own, married with my one and only spouse, raising our children, and paying our bills and taxes on time. Trickle down does not work, never has, never will. Grow up buddy - you are gonna have to sooner or later, and give up the poor little rich kid stereotype, it is not very popular anymore and you get no sympathy from the working/middle class. This is an opinion board, as I just vacationed in MA and New England in general, in my opinion, the head on the nail of this is going to be the fact that mittens did not live in MA when he ran for governor there and voted in that election (the voting thing would be a federal and state felony), plus he is not gonna carry that state because they all know it is not really his home state - the working/middle class people we met in Boston say he never lived there. If that is indeed what he is hiding, then "Lucy, you got some splainin to do"! (Lucy & Dezi). Personally, I think he is a crook and I think ryan is a nut, but again, opinions are like most body parts - everyone has them, they are usually different, and mine are just as important to me as yours are to you.
Union...once again your ignorance, inaccuracy, and your total lack of anything relevant just makes you look stupid. I dare say that I am older than you with grown kids and have worked my entire life. You have no clue as to what you are speaking about but seem to spout it with authority. I dare say I have seen my fair share in my lifetime. Anytime you want to sit down and trade some war stories you just let me know. It may surprise you. So how bout you keep your mouth off of things that you don't have accurate history of. When you and your ilk remove your lips from the hind parts of dear leader and demand transparency and accurate reporting for all politicians not just the ones you agree with then that is the day that I take you seriously. I am not sold on Romney like you seem to think I am but I certainly know for fact that we can't afford another 4 years of what we have now.
Bone,
See above #7.2- The Obama's records are not "sealed". Further, if you truly are not sold on Romney, and think we can't "afford" another four years like the recent four, would you mind giving us one or two examples of what legislation or executive action you find "unaffordable"? At that point, then we could all have an actual discussion of the issues facing America rather than simply name calling.
Right...there's nothing you're hiding...we just have to take your word for it, right?
If McCain had taken Romney instead of Palin as his running mate in 2008. My family finances would not be behind over 30%...McCain would have one.
Many of us have nothing to hide, but we still neeed to show our tax records for many jobs or financial transactions. Get down here with us little people!
I love the comments by the Left and Liberals. Somehow SUCCESS has been DEMONIZED by you guys.
As far as Romney's tax returns, he has followed EVERY LEGAL expectation of ANYONE. IRS wouldn't let someone with Romney's wealth get away, they can easily track.
BUT, IF you CLOWN Libs want to go after more personal things, are YOU willing to hold OBAMA to the same standards and expectation? Seriously, do you want to go there?
Let's see, for starters...
A: True investigation into his relationship with Jeremiah Wright.
B: True investigation into his relationship with Bill Ayers.
C: Obama's "social" clubs while in college.
D: Obama's college transcripts.
E: Obama's relationships with Socialist Party.
That's just a start, SO CLOWNS, please keep bringing up Romney's tax returns, which he has followed ALL legal expectations about, as it opens up the door to discussing OBAMA's PERSONAL LIFE.
We'll never agree but you don't need to resort to the name calling.
Love how the right wing makes things up and attributes them to their President.
Now. Show us those tax returns Mitty.
First,
Dick,
READ the words of the Libs posting. Hold your OWN accountable before calling me out.
Next, newday...what's made up?
A: DID Obama spend roughly 20 years as a member of the church that Jeremiah Wright leads? Does Wright preach anti American views and racist views. Keep in mind that Oprah quickly left this church due specifically to Wright's words.
B: Did Obama have a close association with Bill Ayers, a convicted, unrepenting terrorist?
C: Did Obama engage in radical clubs in college. Yes.
D: Has Obama released any of his college records? NO
E: Did Obama have DIRECT connections to Democrat Socialist party? YES.
Next?
jerry, it is not success that we demonize, it is the greed the 1% and their followers demonstrate everyday that we find disgusting and refuse to respect.
jerry, it is not success that we demonize, it is the greed the 1% and their followers demonstrate everyday that we find disgusting and refuse to respect.
That's good Jerry - Attack the real issues! Speaking of hypocrites.
Jerry; Provide a REPUTABLE source for those allegations.
@Jerry-1573453:
Talk about "Clown's"?! Get a load of you! Let's deal with your BS list:
Jerry; You are a true dumba.s.s. You need to really stop writing things that expose how wretchedly limited you are.
I agree with Dick, name calling is unnecessary?
As someone who was recently given the privelege of becoming a citizen of this country, I find it absolutely appalling that supporters of both parties cannot have a respectful debate.
I find it difficult to support either candidate! Neither one is even close to ideal.
Romney is way too "slick" for my liking and he makes really stupid comments. And Obama simply lacks what it takes to save the economy and therefore the country.
Ann saying they have nothing to hide is the problem: the Romneys and other super rich have convinced themselves that they're so special that's it's really ok to not pay taxes on millions stashed overseas, just a corporations set up sham companies in tax free non-reporting states and countries to avoid taxes. Technically it is legal, to a point, but by refusing to fully reveal their scam to the public she knows it wouldn't look good, and reveal how "different" the super rich are as they are able to take advantage loopholes that really aren't available to the rest of us. I'm sure as the supposed devout Mormons they like to trumpet, they know at some level what they do is immoral or some kind of sin of omission.
Dick act like Richard and not your name.
SHOW some evidence and don't be a blooming idiot.
And Jerry probably thinks that Dick is my real name. Duh.
DUH,
Pretty sure that's why I said what I said, but hey, where's the evidence for your LIES?
OH that's right, Libs can lie and not be accountable, just ask Obama.
Mitt has a problem in the south, it is the elephant in the room that just won't go away, bubba and the SBC (Southern Baptist Convention) along with the huge number of evangelicals and Church of Christ congretations don't really like or trust anyone in the Mormon faith. They won't vote for obama, that is true, but they probably will just leave this one blank - so far that is the word in Tennessee. Not one single republican candidate for any office even mentions his name.
Jerry we are still waiting for answers from georgie regarding lying and accountability, one we have those we will be happy to move on.
Dick..................Look at Obama's tax return. I didn't see see Obama give 20 percent of his income. I'm still waiting for Obama's school records, thesis and a real birth certificate!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
@ dataon:
And are you demanding any of that from Romney too? His father was born in Mexico you know! And his grandfather had 9 wives. Which one was his true "Birth grandmother"? See how stupid your ignorant inquisition can get? Give us facts that are in the public record idiot. Not the insane rantings of unstable hate idiots like Orly Taitz! That is unless you are one of them too. Some of you right wing nuts have absolutely fallen into Alice in Wonderland's rabbit hole. Your comments oddly resemble those of the Mad Hatter.
Romney should show his Tax returns in the same manner as Obama showed his birth certificate. I thought anybody who was running for the highest office in the land would have to prove he was an American citizen. The media criticized anybody who ask for him to show the true certificate. So President (to Be) Romney good for you. Don't show them anything else.
Obama has released his birth certificate both official form and long form and posted it online so if you want to see it for yourself you need only Google it and he has also released his tax returns. Have you ever seen Romney's birth certificate? Do you care? Try to find it.