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Tom Cruise, John Travolta and Kirstie Alley have all touted the success of Narconon, a drug rehabilitation program based on the teachings of Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard.
Narconon says it is a non-medical rehabilitation program. Its methods include spending up to five hours a day in a sauna for 30 days straight and mega doses of the vitamin, Niacin. But three mysterious deaths in the last year have left families mourning loved ones who died while under the care of Narconon. The three deaths occurred at the rehab’s flagship facility, Narconon Arrowhead, located in Oklahoma.
Narconon International declined Rock Center's request for an interview, but in statements said, it has served "tens of thousands of people" and "three out of four Narconon graduates are able to live stable, drug-free lives."
The CEO of Narconon Arrowhead, Gary Smith, said that due to privacy laws, he cannot comment on the deaths, but said he and his staff are devastated by the loss of young lives.
"Our prayers are with the families of the deceased," said Smith in a statement.
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Hey Radio Paul,
Do you think David Miscavige will be watching this? I bet somebody will be pounded for it!
I think people will get pounded no matter what. He is so out of control that he has earned the name Slappy MisCavage. But yes, I beat there will be an extra hard beat down. I wonder who will get it the worst, maybe the head of Scientology's ABLE Rena Weinberg (who runs Narconon)? Maybe Heber Jentzsch? Both of which are reported to be in Scientology's prison called the HOLE at Gold Base in CA. I head DM likes to take people out once and a while and slap them upside their heads. GOOGLE it and Debbie Cook, they stuffed her in to a trash can, it is true!
Larry Byrnes PTS/SP Course Source
173 2005-12-01
FAIL / FLUNK
Tell that to a Narconon graduate. The program saves lives.
Except
for those that it kills and does not help. In fact it is a fraud and was shut down
in 1991 and will be again for the same reason. Talking to ashtrays and walls
and pumping people with near lethal doses on niacin and sting in a sauna for 8
hours a day does not help people, it F's them up. No matter how brain washed
you are, you should not try to brain wash others. IT DID NOT HELP YOU, sorry
that you think it did. You are like one of those suckers that still believes
after being scammed that you still need to send another 10K to you Nigerian benefactor to unlock the funds.
Narconon Success Testimonials here youtube(dot)com narcononarrowhead youtube.com/watch?v=UzjEDH2NNZ0
Narconon torture testimonial video here
Narconon 1984 video
The real point on all of this is the pharma connection. The only people that profit from preventing kids getting off drugs through a holistic program are the drug pushers--the legal ones that is.
There is no pharma connection except in your brain. holistic programs don't work and can't be proven to work and if they did people would use them, but they don't. You can stick a stalk of celery up your bum and drink inoized water and comand ashtrays to stand and all the other wacky crap you belive but it is not sience and it never will be.
Drug addiction is a serious problem and people with this problem should not be put in the hands of charlatans like the ones who run Narconon.
I would say Stacy Murphy and the others who died there would have profited from Narconon being shut down.
Radio and special (agent?) frog - personal attacks with vitriol are not working and is not what I suggested you do.
You will no doubt feel a lot better when you have a more positive attitude and take a more pan-determined view of life.
Can you verify or refute these stats?
"There are over 100,000 deaths per year in the US alone directly attributable to the "side effects" of Big Pharma's killer drugs. The devastation caused by Big Pharma is equivalent to a jumbo jet crashing every single day of the year and killing all aboard!"
No scientology will not make you smarter...
It is not a personal attack it is a fact. L Ron was doped on on the very drugs you say are so evil, you know the ones that were used in WWII to kill millions like in you cults video. Yep L Ron was not stupid enough to belive the crap he had people like you pushing. Repeat your little 100,000 thing all you like it does not make it real. Can you refute that Scientology kills 100,000,000 bizillion people a year? You cant refute a lie with facts. Now I can prove that Scientology does kill but not jst that many. Can you refute that L Ron was a bigot? You see, I got the audio of him mocking black people and calling asians chinks. I got video of his son calling him insane and his grandson calling him a evil thug. You got your little made up cult anti medicen rants. But stay here and fail all you like, your cult is comming down and you wont ba able to hurt people for much longer.
No, the real point is that Narconon is a dangerous, expensive fraud. It's not about Big Pharma, it's about a bunch of people who have been deluded into a sense of superiority and know-allism who are playing doctor with people's lives.
For example, Evans vs. Narconon Watsonville. Schizophrenic son left there after the parents were assured he'd get his meds. First thing they did was take them away. Kid starts acting up, Narconon staff can't handle it and calls the parents to pick him up.
On the way home, kid strangles his father to death from the back seat. That is DIRECTLY caused by Narconon's untrained and barely clean staff making medical decisions!
Those four deaths at Arrowhead. That's the point. This Evans case is the point. The people whose lives are forever damaged by your quackery; your toxic doses of vitamins, your utter disregard for safety or well-being of clients, your lack of oversight of staff and administrators; it is all simply appalling. FINALLY, somebody is paying attention!
Narconon Trois Rivieres is the first domino to fall, and it won't be the last. This dangerous, medically and scientifically unsound quackery needs to be put down, so that nobody else is ever hurt by them again.
I take this type of news with a grain of salt and a critical, open mind. In every rehabilitation center people's lives may improve and they survive in the world outside of rehab, but sadly there are patients who make the wrong choices that lead them to their demise rather than to recovery. It hasn't been specified why these patients actually died. To blame it all on Narconon and their rehab program is making a hasty judgment don't you think? Narconon can only help rehabilitate an addict, the addict must help himself too. Same with other rehab centers. Until there's proven evidence that Narconon's practices directly lead to the patients' death, I will keep an open mind and give Narconon the benefit ouf the doubt.
Naconon
helps themselves to other peoples money, they are not a real rehab. Even their
own PURF has warnings inside the book saying it is not medically valid. They
then sell it as if it were. Shame on you for blaming others for dying at the
hands of a scam. At Naconon, they never had a chance. Less than 20% of people
that go there stay clean. The ones who do typically are not long time abusers.
They got shut down in Canada in large part for making false claims.
Narconon was shut down last april in Canada because health officials there probably didn't want deaths on their hands like in Oklahoma.
A serious investigation shows that Narconon is a dangerous place lead by incapable kooks.
It's not about blame. Let's not turn this into a blame game. People have died and let us respect the families they have left behind. I sympathize with those families. Right now, all we can do is extend our compassion to the families and make the process of grieving easier for them.
Very good RedTorch - thank you!
Narconon Success Testimonials here youtube(dot)com narcononarrowhead youtube.com/watch?v=UzjEDH2NNZ0
Why is the doctor who staffs this facility based in a city an hour and a half away? Given how much this program charges, you think they could do like any piss-poor summer camp does and have a doctor and/or APRN on hand to handle anything that does go wrong. Then again, given that narconon forces all people going through treatment to take unhealthy doses of niacin, and undergo unscientific levels of sauna "therapy", it's no surprise that they'd find some unethical doctor they knew they could get to rubber stamp that he is the "facility doctor"
I think the way that the hate filled commenters in this thread are using the tragic death of someone in rehab as an excuse to further their hatred and attack on the Church of Scientology is vile and disgusting. The fact that they don't have the facts on her death and yet care little and are quick to speculate and blame Narconon is simply the latest excuse to further their religious bigotry and attack agenda and reveals them for what they are;Anonymous/Sock/Troll accounts too cowardice to use their real names here and intent on one thing only, furthering their myopic and hate filled agenda to discredit the Church Of Scientology at any cost.
Right on Migia!
I agree that we should stop the hate. Death should not be an impetus for someone to assign blame or to hate on a belief system or religion. Death should bring people together, to try to create a better world for those that are left behind.
This is not hate. Deaths at Narconons have been happening for some time now and health officials have to act to stop scientology's nonsense that endanger vulnarable addicts. Not to mention stealing their money beforehand...
The fact that you are completely overlooking the reasons for this assault on Narconon speaks volumes.
People have died. People have suffered permanent damage. People have paid tens of thousands of dollars for this useless quackery, yet somehow Narconon is the victim here?
Nope. What it is, it's an elaborate version of the old snake oil salesman, complete with shills. Step right up, ladies and gentlemen, only $26,000 up front no refunds!
You just traded the carnival tent for a "clinic." Oh, no, you gave the carnival tents to the Scientology Volunteer Ministers roadshow.
Hey look everyone it is another Scientology Clam acting like a happy go lucky person that just wants to give Narconon the benefit of the doubt and blame the victems
Winnie Perot (OSA)?
Church of Scientology's Series "Meet a Scientologist"
Winnie Perot says:
I’ve seen the Meet a Scientologist videos and they’re pretty compelling. I know someone who’s taking courses, and I’ve learned from her that it is really a very rewarding experience. It seems that Scientology offers many things I am looking for, including practical knowledge to help me in my day-to-day affairs.
Your point?
Thanks for the plug - that's much better!
Scientologists here are not putting much of an effort combatting entheta. Come on people! Show us some OT powers!
Hey Marc,
Got some ideas/suggestions/technology on how to combat an enturbulated spiritual being?
Other than personal attacks that try and fail to block communication?
If so, please share them with radio and special agent frog - they are doing better but have a long way to go.
I wish you all well - so long for now compadres.
Radio Paul, why don't you comment on this? Narconon Success Testimonials here youtube(dot)com narcononarrowhead youtube.com/watch?v=UzjEDH2NNZ0
Hey Larry, remeber when L Ron Hubbard siad Chist was made up? You know, a part of R-6 from Incident 2 and how you all lie and say you compatible with other religons. My point is you are pathological liars that will say anything to futher push your quackery.
You know like when L Ron said Muhammad mocked the Muslim religion because business was not good back home.
Or are you to dimwitted to get the point I already made? That you all go around
pretending to be something you are not and try to manufacture support for your
quackery by acting like concerned Non-Clams. Not every ethical but as we all
know Scientology says it is ok to lie for the greatest number of dynamics,
right?
You still here quacking?
I thought I told you to try to get more positive and lay off the personal attacks and vitriol?
Review your posts and then look in the mirror and tell yourself you are enhancing survival and sincerely care about saving lives from the ravages of drug abuse?
And not shamelessly exploiting a tragedy to self promote your radio show?
Service to others rather than service to self would be a better path for you to take.
Adios amigo!
Testinonials don't add up to statistics by independent research, which doesn't exist for Narconon's practices.
Ooh, do let's talk about exploiting disaster, shall we? Like the Scientology deluge of newspaper inserts and billboards post-911.
Yeah, that was real classy.
Winnie: Do a little research of your local Scientology Church - check and see the facts on how much money the parishoners have left in their bank accounts, how many went bankrupt, how many lost their homes. Do some research on how many OT 8's died of cancer, suicide and other untimely deaths.
what is the rate of suicide in Scientology for such a small group?
To be completely honest with yourself - for you own well being - prove the facts to yourself, quietly and alone - you don't have to tell anyone - but look at the good the bad and the ugly.
If you were going to invest $300,000 to $500,000 on a program for spiritual enlightenment - do you just trust the Promo or would you LOOK to see the facts. Do you know any Clears? Impressed? How about OT's? Impressed.
"We of the Church believe that people have the right to speak freely" - well look and then speak freely - but if one critizes Scientology - one gets "disconnected" - shunned - so you cannot even correct any crimes in the Organization - have you tried? Honestly? Well, you will some day and they you will see - hopefully you won't be bankrupt by then or worse yet- suicidal!
Really? Congrats to NBC for linking celebs to exploit a tragedy, although that's hardly a new practice. Last year Jeff Conaway and Mike Starr died. This year Shifty Shellshock was arrested for cocaine possession. Celebrity rehab has only had a handful of actual successes but television is in the business of making everything sensational. So let's not worry about actual people or families or facts, let's just make money. Shameful.
I have commented, their testimonials are manipulated and that has been shown to
be a fact. People have revoked Naconon’s right to use them then Naronon attacks
them for doing so. Also Naconon holds people hostage in the program till they
write testimonials and that forces people to write false testimonials so they
can get out. Also someone who is brainwash in to thinking that commanding ashtrays
to stand up and sweating nonexistent drugs from their system is not someone people
should be taking advice. But don’t take my word for it. Ed Dearbone on the OC
Org, has this to say about the Purf.
“The Purification Program is not concerned with handling bodies
as such. Its concern is freeing the individual spiritually. The only dosages
recommended are those classified as food. There are no medical
recommendations or claims to it. The only claim is future spiritual
improvement.”
Yet you all sell the exact same program (yes I have seen the materials and they are
the same) at Narconon and that make it unethical. But then Scientology is
unethical. GOOGLE FAIR GAME
Also withholding real medicine like blood pressure pills, insulin and the like is rampant.
What about those testiomnials. The cult just calls them all liars so why should
anyone believe such a vicious and vindictive group?
http://www.naturalnews.com/036816_Eli_Lilly_payoffs_doctors.html
Did this breaking news on Lilly's criminality come from the corn field?
The mirror, radio, the mirror.
Are you service to self or service to others?
Hot off the press! - does here anyone think "Rock Center" (Awesome name!!!) will make this front page news? With the billions in ad money they get from Lilly??
http://www.naturalnews.com/036816_Eli_Lilly_payoffs_doctors.html
The reason this information has been disclosed in Eli Lilly's case is because Eli Lilly was involved in a criminal settlement, and was ordered to disclose these payments, since 2009. They agreed to pay $1.4 billion to settle criminal and civil allegations of promoting drugs for unapproved uses. An official from the FDA testified in a court of law that Eli Lilly concealed the risks of its schizophrenia drug Zyprexa from U.S. officials, knowing the serious health risks it caused. They defrauded Medicare/Medicaid and blatantly put profit over the concern of the consumer.
I've tried googling a few of the legitimate treatment centers -- Betty Ford, etc -- to try to compare the number of deaths under their care. I'm having trouble finding any stories of deaths there. Why is it that Narconon is so aberrant in this regard?
How Naronon kills people and takes their money.
Make sure to Google the convicted sex offender William Kent McGregor who got Narconon push back in the state of Oklahoma .
But then there are so many sex offenders at Narconon like Brett Alan Lengstorf
Narconon staffer and alleged rapist Brett Alan Lengstorf. Like most staff, Lengstorf was himself a Narconon graduate. Six weeks after the rape, he was arrested in Santa Cruz County for possession of crack cocaine, methamphetamine, and drug paraphernalia. He died in 2005
There have been so many stories like this in Narconon and yes I will be having people talk on my show about the hidious sexual abuse they suffered at Narconon.
Any center including Betty Ford that sincerely tries to help salvage lives from the ravages of drug abuse caused by the drug racket - illegal and legal should be commended not trashed.
Why does Narconon get so much attention from Big Pharma funded propaganda machines like "Rock Center"? (Can't get over that great name!)
Does it have to do with billions in ad money given to the likes of NBC?
Are the profits of Big Pharma under threat?
Check out the breaking news on Lilly and make up your own mind. Over 20 years ago Scientologists exposed their killer drug Prozac.
What goes around comes around?
http://www.naturalnews.com/036816_Eli_Lilly_payoffs_doctors.html
"They defrauded Medicare/Medicaid and blatantly put profit over the concern of the consumer."
Sincerity only goes so far, Larry. If you're negligent with your charges, then you should be criticized and investigated. Why is there such a dearth of on-site medical staff at narconon?
Larry - it is not working - your "psych rage" is just not working anymore - it only works IN THE CULT! The public see Scientology for what it is - a CULT. Hopefully, some day you will see the truth - hopefully you will have some of your abilities left to think for yourself.
You may want to research Scientology (on your own) - Scientology is the "science of knowing how to know", right?
Well, how can you know if you don't LOOK! Think for yourself and stop drinking the kool aid.
You don't see any Clears or OT's that you would want to be like, right? Do you want to spend $500,000 to be like these people? Super powers - ? Look please Larry - for your own sake - take a good hard look.
Some more rants from L Ron the Bigot, You know the great man that knew all about drugs and such and gave us Naconon. They guy eho died on Pshyc Dugs himself.
The very nature of the Chinaman holds him back. If his fellow should fall, John thinks it quite proper that he stamp on the underdogs face.
-L. Ron Hubbard, Ron Letters and Journals "Early Years of Adventure (Asia Diaries, 1927-1929)
The mirror, radio, the mirror ...
Evil sees as evil does.
Is that the best confront you got, FAIL. Your evil cult is going down. I am sure Slappy broke a mirrior over someones head at gold and gave your cult 7 years bad luck.
No more Narconon deaths
My heart goes out to the families of those who have perished. No one deserves to die at such a young age. My only prayer is that the families get the comfort and support that they need at this trying time.
A-Men to that!
Agreed.
How Naronon kills people and takes their money.
Make sure to Google the convicted sex offender William Kent McGregor who got Narconon push back in the state of Oklahoma .
But then there are so many sex offenders at Narconon like Brett Alan Lengstorf
Narconon staffer and alleged rapist Brett Alan Lengstorf. Like most staff, Lengstorf was himself a Narconon graduate. Six weeks after the rape, he was arrested in Santa Cruz County for possession of crack cocaine, methamphetamine, and drug paraphernalia. He died in 2005
There have been so many stories like this in Narconon and yes I will be having people talk on my show about the hidious sexual abuse they suffered at Narconon.
The face of a Naconon Rapist
You are a hopeless case Radio and I give up trying to help you - well at least temporarily. But as there is some good in the worst of us and there is some bad in the best of us, perhaps one day I will have another go
Enjoy your own radio show.
Or listen to this and pehaps get educated in your subject?
http://www.infowars.com/chemical-massacre/
http://www.infowars.com/the-secret-behind-whitney-houstons-death/
Later dude!
Help youeself GET OUT OF THE CULT AND STOP MESSING PEOPLE UP.
Here are some sites for you
Narconon Exposed
Reaching For the Tipping Point
Educate yourself on how many people you guys have killed and hurt. By the way did you know that Naconon practices disconnection too.
I have seen you videos, I laughed and then I got sick at how insane you sound. But then you are in a cult, a cult that has Fair Game.
It saddens me that this posting has run amuck with bitterness. Losing someone is such a horrible thing and my thoughts are with the family. Having had a family member in and out of rehab myself, I know that there are sometimes successes and sometimes not. Not every program is good for everyone. My loved one was in and out of recovery houses for most of his life. The last one stuck. When I asked him why, he simply replied "I was ready." I wouldn't wish the disease on addiction on any person or family
Lisa
please read my prior post about you clams coming on here and acting like you
are just regular public people. Ohhh it is so sad that people are bickering yet
your cult does not take that rout when you are manipulating these people for
their testimonials. What is sad is that your cult killed again and they send
OSA Bots like you to do damage control and act like grey persons that have no
stake in the fight between Scientology and humanity.
Narconon
killed these people, it is not a case of sometimes it works and sometimes it
does not and it is disgusting that you cult members want to wipe your hands of
the deaths of these people so easy. Did you know, you all almost killed again
last night? Yep there was another person pleading for 911 to come to Naronon
and they told her to go back in the sauna, she got caught calling for help and
the cult dumped her at the airport because they did not want another 911 call
from that location because they knew the press would be all over it. Is that
Ethics at work there or what?
For
the rest of you, to prove my point that Lisa is in OSA (Office of Special Affairs)
I will post some of her prior post on the net. Regular Scientology members cannot
view a story like this or they can get in trouble. It is called En-Theta and if
they are found out that they viewed something like this they can be charged thousands
of dollars in Scientology Auditing to rid themselves of it. Only approved OSA
members will be looking at this thread.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jvTVBLctawM
Scientology Religious Retreat—Fort Harrison Hotel Jan 12
HEY LISA I THOUGHT NARCONON AND SCIENTOLOGY WERE NOT CONNECTED???? YET ONLY CLAMS ARE HERE DEFENDING IT????
Lisa Kist
One more thing! books/ron-series/ biographical-encyclopedia.html
The L. Ron Hubbard Series
www.lronhubbard.org
Introducing the L. Ron Hubbard Series, The Complete Biographical Encyclopedia: a highly personalized and deeply penetrating 16-volume set, chronicling the extraordinary life of L. Ron Hubbard.
· March 22 at 9:51pm
LISA I DIDI NOT KNOW THAT YOU ARE FROM GA? Did you know about the RICO case in your state where Narconon killed that guy, lied to the police, fixed documents and tried to derail the investigation? Oh yeah sometimes people just die huh!
Scientology / Narconon
OT III: The Wall of Fire
Main article: Xenu
"This Solo-audited level goes through what is called the "Wall of Fire" that surrounds a previously impenetrable whole track mystery. What prevents a being from being himself? This level answers that question. Once complete, a being is free of the whole track overwhelm that has trapped him. Here he confronts and eradicates the fourth dynamic engram that has plagued this universe for millennia."[9]
Church dogma regards OT III as a dangerous process which can lead to pneumonia, to lack of sleep or even to death if not run correctly. In Church of Scientology of California v. Kaufman, it was noted that the defendant had been required to sign a waiver to the effect that "the Scientology Organization, its branches and members, and L. Ron Hubbard are not responsible for anything that might happen to my body or mind on OT III".[10]
Within Scientology, the Xenu story is referred to as "The Wall of Fire" or "Incident II".[7][8] Hubbard attached tremendous importance to it, saying that it constituted "the secrets of a disaster which resulted in the decay of life as we know it in this sector of the galaxy".[34] The broad outlines of the story—that 75 million years ago a great catastrophe happened in this sector of the galaxy which caused profoundly negative effects for everyone since then—are publicly admitted to lower-level Scientologists. However, the details are kept strictly confidential, at least within Scientology.
The OT III document describes how Hubbard entered the Wall of Fire but emerged alive, "probably the only one ever to do so in 75,000,000 years".[26] He first publicly announced his "breakthrough" in Ron's Journal 67 (RJ67), a taped lecture Hubbard recorded on September 20, 1967, to be sent to all Scientologists.[21] According to Hubbard, his research was achieved at the cost of a broken back, knee and arm. OT III contains a warning that the R6 implant is "calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it".[10][26] Hubbard claimed that his "tech development"—i.e. his OT materials—had neutralized this threat, creating a safe path to redemption.[8][9]
From the Clam that gave us Narconon!
The head of the Galactic Federation (76 planets around larger
stars visible from here) (founded 95,000,000 years ago, very
space opera) solved overpopulation (250 billion or so per planet,
178 billion on average) by mass implanting. He caused people to
be brought to Teegeeack (Earth) and put an H-Bomb on the
principal volcanos (Incident II) and then the Pacific area ones
were taken in boxes to Hawaii and the Atlantic area ones to
Las Palmas and there "packaged".
His name was Xenu. He used renegades. Various misleading
data by means of circuits etc. was placed in the implants.
When through with his crime loyal officers (to the people)
captured him after six years of battle and put him in an
electronic mountain trap where he still is. "They" are gone.
The place (Confederation) has since been a desert. The length
and brutality of it all was such that this Confederation never
recovered. The implant is calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc)
anyone who attempts to solve it. This liability has been
dispensed with by my tech development.
One can freewheel through the implant and die unless it is
approached as precisely outlined. The "freewheel" (auto-running
on and on) lasts too long, denies sleep etc and one dies. So be
careful to do only Incidents I and II as given and not plow
around and fail to complete one thetan at a time.
In December 1967 I knew someone had to take the plunge. I did
and emerged very knocked out, but alive. Probably the only one
ever to do so in 75,000,000 years. I have all the data now, but
only that given here is needful.
One's body is a mass of individual thetans stuck to oneself or
to the body.
One has to clean them off by running incident II and Incident I.
It is a long job, requiring care, patience and good auditing.
You are running beings. They respond like any preclear. Some
large, some small.
Thetans believed they were one. This is the primary error.
Good luck.
Hey Clams, 24 hours to your NBC Butt Hurt!
Anything can be criticized and made to look weird if you consult the mirror each morning for your propaganda lines.
What is your viewpoint on those that believe in the body and blood of Jesus Christ?
Or God's chosen people?
Or all non muslims that don't make a pilgrimage to Mecca are doomed infidels?
Do you have a religion?
On NBC you can't be serious. With a name like "Rock Center" ??
The public is staying away in droves from these propaganda tools:
http://www.sott.net/articles/show/248082-Mainstream-media-in-decline-as-they-lose-Americans-trust
That "going down" crash you hear in your head is the Rothschild/Rockefeller bankster cult and their propaganda tools on the way out.
Manwhile, the many dedicated staff at Narconon and other drug rehab centers that help undo Big Pharma's carnage and will carry on saving lives.
Bend over Larry, your cults lies are about to be exposed despite the 250 calls to NBC and threats to sue. No one is afaid of your cult anymore. I thought you were done talking to me? You lie even there :(
Bend over?
Wow!
But how do you have the data on the calls?
Are you a paid Rock Center Psycho/Pharm troll?
Check this out:
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/ciencia/ciencia_industrybigpharma.htm
"This is a plan by design of the pharmaceutical manufacturers, meaning the pharmaceutical giants have manipulated the entire bunch of us - patients and doctors - to continue to look to their pharmaceutical drugs as the end all, be all of these chronic diseases.
Their sole intent is to keep us on their drugs, not to find a real cure, and it’s of little consequence to them that these drugs cause harm and suffering. [...]
A fifteen-year veteran of the pharmaceutical industry says that the pharmaceutical companies are not in thebusiness of 'health and healing' but instead the business of 'disease maintenance and symptom management. "
It's cute how you keep posting links to "somewhere else" that are not credible as scientific sources of information.
Let's talk about Narconon and the unusual number of deaths and criminal acts that seem to hover around it like stench on a dead possum, shall we?
You're trying to change the subject to "something else," but we are not going to let that happen.
My advice is to just relax and let it roll. You can't stop the program. You can't stop the truth. You can't stop us.
Narconon is going down, and DM is gonna feel the impact when this cash cow collapses. Maybe he'll have to ride last year's Ducati a little longer, and make those expensive lift shoes last instead of scuffing them on people's kneecaps.
Make sure to google the RICO case against Naronon
And these ACTUAL crimes?
http://www.naturalnews.com/024534_Europe_health_WHO.html
Nuremberg Trials: Big Pharma's Crimes Against Humanity
Scientology crimes (Just a small taste)
Trial pending: USA: Lisa McPherson - Wrongful Death, Practicing Medicine Without a License, Torture, more
Convictions
General Information on Scientology's Crimes
November 12, 2007
A Church Accounting
While religious institutions have constitutional protection against certain taxation, they are also expected not to abuse their special status. In fact, while Grassley is looking into such matters, he should add the Church of Scientology to the list. Scientology's shameful past includes a 25-year legal and psychological campaign against the IRS to be recognized as a tax- exempt religion. Scientology tactics included a criminal conspiracy in the 1970s to bug IRS offices, which led to 11 convictions of church members including founder L. Ron Hubbard's wife. Scientology filed dozens of lawsuits against the IRS, hired private investigators to dig up dirt on IRS employees and financed other IRS critics.
November 4, 2007
Belgium Builds Case Against Scientology
Prosecutors say the evidence points to one conclusion: The Church of Scientology in Belgium is a "criminal organization" that has used fraud and extortion to separate members from their money.
November 4, 2007
Belgium Builds Case Against Scientology
Prosecutors call the church a "criminal organization." The church says it's a "witch hunt." It all began with a woman who wanted her money back. In 1997 a former member of the Church of Scientology, unhappy with courses she had taken, tried to get a refund of 700,000 Belgian francs - about $17,000. Authorities began looking into the church's finances and interviewing people.
October 2, 2005
NY Post: Scientology Sex Assault Nightmare
The New York Post reports that Scientology auditor and course supervisor Gabriel Williams repeatedly raped a 16-year-old Scientologist who had been ordered to live with Williams while she worked at Scientology's Mountain View org.
January 18, 2003
Lawsuit Grinds To Another Delay
After six years, it finally appeared the wrongful death suit against the Church of Scientology was headed for trial, but a clearly frustrated judge postponed the highly publicized case once again, probably for at least several months. Schaeffer granted the delay so the church could appeal her earlier ruling that Ken Dandar should not be disqualified as attorney for the estate of Lisa McPherson, the church member who died in 1995 after 17 days in the care of Scientologists in Clearwater.
January 9, 2002
Icon Accused of Fleecing Celebrities
U.S. security regulators trying to piece together an investment scam that reached the highest levels of Hollywood - and a number of unsuspecting Canadians - have banned the alleged operator from ever associating with a financial advisor. The U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission handed down the punishment following negotiations with former Wall Street icon Reed E. Slatkin, who is accused of running one of the largest Ponzi schemes in American history. Authorities say Mr. Slatkin, an ordained minister in the Church of Scientology, offered people huge returns on investments.
September 22, 2001
Sentencing in Trial Against Scientology
After 7 months of trial, thousands of written pages, hundreds of people investigated and 12 Scientologists accused, the judge now has to decide whether the 12 members of Scientology are guilty of conspiracy, a crime for which the public prosecutor asked for three months in prison for each.
July 1, 2001
Scientology faces ban over jail `infiltration'
Independent: Scientology faces ban over jail `infiltration'
June 27, 2001
Scientology money laundering in Russia
Itar-Tass Russia: "Olga Ukhova, director of the regional Dianetics scientology centre, has been sentenced to six years imprisonment conditionally for illegal entrepreneurship and money laundering in particularly large amounts."
June 27, 2001
Tass: Khabarovsk Sect Chief Convicted for Money Laundering
Olga Ukhova, director of the regional Dianetics scientology centre, was sentenced to six years imprisonment conditionally for illegal entrepreneurship and money laundering.
June 13, 2001
Tom Cruise Sect Preys On Drugs Prisoners: Warning As Cult Targets British Jails
Mirror: Tom Cruise Sect Preys On Drugs Prisoners: Warning As Cult Targets British Jails
June 7, 2001
Unorthodox Arrest: Church of scientology calls cops and has one of its harshest and most vocal critics jailed
Now: Unorthodox Arrest: Church of scientology calls cops and has one of its harshest and most vocal critics jailed
May 30, 2001
Office Search Part Of Criminal Probe
Albuquerque Journal: Office Search Part Of Criminal Probe
May 12, 2001
Courts: EarthLink co-founder's files are seized as a criminal probe opens into alleged Ponzi scheme
Los Angeles Times: Courts: EarthLink co-founder's files are seized as a criminal probe opens into alleged Ponzi scheme
April 27, 2001
Scientology Critic Convicted
Wired: Scientology Critic Convicted
April 4, 2001
Letters: Scientology Should Be Treated Differently
Leaders of Scientology, represented by at least one lawyer who works with Pope, were convicted in a plot involving infiltration and burglary of federal government offices. Scientology officials and organizations have been criminally convicted in Canada. If attorney Wallace Pope and Clearwater police Chief Sid Klein can't tell the difference between Calvary Baptist Church and a syndicate like Scientology, they are a lonely pair indeed.
April 3, 2001
Church of Scientology Sent to Trial in France
A French magistrate has ordered the Paris division of the Church of Scientology to stand trial on charges of attempted extortion and invasion of privacy, judicial sources said on Tuesday. Investigating magistrate Renaud Van Ruymbeke also notified Marc Walter, a leader of Scientology in the Paris region, that he would face trial on the same charges, in addition to false advertising.
January 5, 2001
$1.2 Million Recovered In Fund Scam
More than $1.2 million bilked from investors has been recovered by federal officials and will be returned to the fraud victims. A U.S. Customs Service investigation resulted in a court order this week directing the Church of Scientology to return $1.2 million donated by Dennel Finance. The church returned the funds to a receiver and has not been accused of any wrongdoing, authorities said.
June 27, 2000
Letters To The Editor: Scientology approach to crime
Berkshire Eagle: Letters To The Editor: Scientology approach to crime
June 24, 2000
Mental manipulation now a crime as sects targeted
Sidney Morning Herald: Mental manipulation now a crime as sects targeted
April 6, 2000
Scientologists Are Saying Church Being Persecuted
Lawyers for the Church of Scientology argued yesterday that criminal charges filed against them in a church member's death were brought by prosecutors determined to negatively brand the church. Prosecutors countered this case is not one of religious freedom, but one of medical neglect. Lisa McPherson had been under the care of Scientology for 17 days following a minor car accident and a mental breakdown. Prosecutors said she was badly dehydrated, malnourished and that the medical care church members gave her was unlicensed and inadequate.
December 14, 1999
Scientology: white-collar crime club
Knoxville News-Sentinel: Scientology: white-collar crime club
December 8, 1999
When Can A Church Be Accused Of A Crime?
Lisa McPherson, 36, was a Scientologist who died after being under the church's care in Clearwater in 1995. The state has filed charges of abuse and practicing unlicensed medicine against the church's Flag Service Organization, or simply "Flag." McPherson died that Dec. 5 after 17 days at the church's Fort Harrison Hotel under the supervision of Scientologists. The state says she died of a pulmonary embolism, with dehydration and immobility as contributing factors. The state says her final days featured raving delusions and forced medication.
November 24, 1999
Scientology Prompts Review Of Death Case
In an unusual step, Pinellas-Pasco Medical Examiner Joan Wood has agreed to reconsider her conclusions in the 1995 death of Scientologist Lisa McPherson. The medical examiner's findings are key elements in two court cases against Scientology. Three years after McPherson's death, the Pinellas-Pasco State Attorney's Office charged the church's Clearwater operation with two criminal counts: abuse of a disabled adult and practicing medicine without a license. The church also faces a wrongful death lawsuit filed by McPherson's family.
November 15, 1999
Reuters: French ex-Scientology leader guilty of fraud
A French court sentenced a former regional leader of the Church of Scientology to jail for fraud in connection with courses offered by the organisation.
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September 30, 1996
Patrice Vic Trial Begins - Scientology Executive Charged with Manslaughter
Trial begins in the death of Patrice Vic. Scientology executive Jean-Jacques Mazier is charged with manslaughter, and 22 other Scientologists also face charges.
April 13, 1990
Affidavit of Margery Wakefield
Testimony tells the story of her experiences in Scientology.">Margery Wakefield's affidavit describes illicit activities, hearing plans to murder individuals, and false imprisonment by the Church of Scientology.
April 23, 1985
Los Angeles Police - Public Statement Regarding Eugene Ingram's Wiretapping
A public announcement by Los Angeles Police Chief Daryl Gates disavowing any cooperation with Eugene Ingram, longtime Scientology agent, who claimed to have obtained a letter from the LAPD authorizing Ingram to eavesdrop on others.
August 3, 1980
Scientologist Elizabeth Eagleton Wiegand, Senator Eagleton, Stephen E. Poludniak, St. Louis. Libby Wiegand, $220,000, company;,
Scientologist Elizabeth Eagleton Wiegand, niece of Senator Eagleton, and her attorney Stephen E. Poludniak are arrested and charged with extortion and conspiracy in St. Louis. Libby Wiegand had threatened to publicize embarassing information about the senator unless he purchased $220,000 of her stock in a family company; he refused to purchase the stock because he believed the money would go to Scientology. Although Scientology denied any involvement at the time, they later linked it to a Guardian's Office operation in their IRS Form 1023 declaration.
October 6, 1979
Mary Sue Hubbard and 8 Other Scientology Executives Admit Massive Conspiracy
Hubbard's wife Mary Sue and eight other Scientology executives signed a 282-page (plus exhibits) Stipulation of Evidence that detailed the government's case. That document details the burglaries, forgeries, conspiracies, to obstruct justice and other crimes committed.
October 6, 1976
Michael Meisner Moves to a Scientology-Rented Apartment; Coverup Continues
Michael Meisner moves into an apartment at 444 South Burlington Street in Los Angeles. The apartment was rented by Paul Poulon (Collections Officer for the Information Bureau); the Guardian's Office wanted to reduce expenses and it was cheaper for Meisner to hide out in an apartment than in hotel rooms. Meisner spends most of his days at local libraries doing research on the security of government buildings, in order to support one of the cover-up stories, _viz._, that he had entered various government buildings to do an expose on the lack of security. Cinty Raymond and Meisner meet approximately twice a week to discuss the ongoing cover-up.
September 28, 1976
Mo Budlong writes to Richard Weigand, describing a plan for hiding Michael Meisner from his arrest warrant
Mo Budlong writes to Richard Weigand, describing a plan for hiding Michael Meisner from his arrest warrant. This constitutes conspiracy, harboring a fugitive, and obstructing justice.
October 3, 1975
Guardian Office Memo Requests Update on Stealing Department of Justice Files
A Guardian's Office memo is sent to Richard Weigand requesting a compliance report on target 17 of GO 1361. (Target 17 directed the infiltration and theft of files relating to Scientology from the Tax Division or the United States Department of Justice in Washington, D.C.) Weigand added a handwritten note to the memo that target 17 "is almost done" in Washington DC, but that six more weeks would be needed to complete the target at the Justice Department in Los Angeles.
September 21, 1975
Scientologists Commended for Breaking into Government Offices
Gregory Willardson writes a CSW (Completed Staff Work) to Jane Kember and requests commendations and awards for various staff members who had been involved in executing GO 1361 (which directed breaking into government offices and stealing documents), including Cindy Raymond.
October 10, 1972
Guardian's Office Weekly Report Directs Attacks on Paulette Cooper
Scientology Guardian's Office Weekly Intelligent Report notes that Paulette Cooper is "still actively attacking Scientology" and lists three "handling" actions, including giving New York Scientologists orders to "attack her in as many ways as possible"; this item says that action has already been taken on "wide-scale exposure of PC's sex life."
Remember Rex Fowler ???? OT-7
So it IS true - you have made a "career" out of attacking a religion whose only real crime is that it helps spiritual beings get out of their personal traps and communicates!
So much hate in such a little person!
What Rockefeller/Rothschild bankster cult branch is paying you for your "career?
Come on radio - WHO is paying you to trash groups that help save lives and who have the guts to expose Big Pharma's drug for pofit genocide?
And how much do you REALLY care about service to yourself while ignoring service to others.
Check the mirror tonight Radio.
Is it time for you to REPORT BACK to your Big Pharma paymasters as your mission has failed?
What is your take on these revelations?
http://www.naturalnews.com/024534_Europe_health_WHO.html
Nuremberg Trials: Big Pharma's Crimes Against Humanity
Or this late breaking news:
http://www.naturalnews.com/036816_Eli_Lilly_payoffs_doctors.html
Eli Lilly admits to more than $200 million dollars worth of doctor payoffs
Larry; I don't find any of the comments here "hateful." Many of the posters to the comment thread on this blog appear to me to hold many of the practices and policies of the cult of $cientology in contempt. I know I do.
They probably do this because the abuse, the corruption, the destructiveness, the fraud, deceit, denial, cowardice and lies of the cult are contemptible.
I don't believe that they hate $cientologists.
I believe that perhaps they are, like me, disgusted by the appalling practices and policies of the cult. Forced abortions, child labor, child abuse, disconnection, fraud, and the list is much longer.
I believe your belief system is science-fiction, but you are welcome to believe whatever you want, homo-novis, teegeeack, the whole track and body thetans included.
You are not welcome to inflict rigidly dogmatic, abusive, hurtful and destructive behaviour and policy on other human beings.
You are not welcome to indulge in medical malpractice and claim it is some kind of esoteric "religious" ceremony.
You are not welcome to cloak your corrupt corporation in bogus "religious" trappings and avoid paying taxes on all the money the cult takes in.
We laugh with contempt at the flaccid, weasel worded attempts $cientologists like you make to deflect the criticism and contempt we have for the cult, but speaking for myself, I don't hate you.
I don't hate anybody. I may be indifferent to some people, people who might in fact practice $cientology, but I never hate them.
Hate and resentment are when we swallow poison and expect someone else to die.
What an incredibly stupid thing to do! So stupid that it appears to me to be part of the ideology of that moonbat cult known as $cientology.
Care to comment?
P.S. If you gotta have a cult, please get someone other than a height-challenged, rat-brained moron with an IQ the square root of its shoe size to be the cult leader. That psychopathic dwarf must be some kind of hideous embarrassment to you.
No need to comment you have handled yourself with your hateful post.
Athlone, you just need to look into a mirror or something. Yeah a mirror LOL Mirror Tech LOL
Picture of Dorian Gray?
Have a nice rest - both of you.
So now you stoop the religious crap. I thought Scientology and Naconon were separate. Thanks for proving that a lie. But don't worry we know you are a liar and a bigot because you follow the teachings of L Ron Hubbard and he said all other religions are false and mental implants from R-6, kinda makes you a hypocrite don't it :( Nice try at dodging your cults criminal convictions
Here are some comments from judges over the years on your criminal cult. Your real crimes are extortion, murder, assault, government infiltration, blackmail, stalking, and more.
The Church Of Scientology
What Judges and others have said about Scientology!
Hey Clams the story is going viral ! Get your asses over to the Tampa Bay Times, Daley Mail, and the Village Voice and spread your black OSA PR !!! Scientology needs you! Plus you don't want David Miscavage to slap you around for failing to spread your lies.
Hut hut hut get to the the Fair Game.
Hey Larry you should Google psychopaths and obsessions with mirrors. How many times have you mentioned it now? As if that has anything to do with Naconon killing and abusing people.
Scientology Crimes - L Ron died convicted of fraud and sentenced to four years in prison. A drug addicted fugitive!
In case you all want to hear a first hand account of how bad Naconon is and what it does to those that speak out.
Wow - Tampa Bay Times, Daily Mail, and the Village Voice
Now there's three of a kind to beat any full house!
Don't forget to look in the mirror and then report back to your masters.
Your rants have failed to impress anyone - look at the anemic number of posts here.
Lady Gaga gets more ink than Rock Center's blog simply by showing up.
And please check out this story and give this to your radio show audience - whatever it is?
http://www.naturalnews.com/036816_Eli_Lilly_payoffs_doctors.html
Eli Lilly admits to more than $200 million dollars worth of doctor payoffs
Goodnight "radio" and don't forget the mirror.
Don't worry, tomorrow millions of people will see what a scam you are pushing. I suspect that even more Narconon survivors will speak out after that. Is that good enough for you? Uhh back to that insane mirror talk. Is that a part of the PTS/SP FAIL Course> Did you get Pneumonia yet from reading the OT3 story yet? Or were you a good little cult member and averted your eyes?
Make sure to google rapes in Narconon? Kinda reminds me of when Jan Eatgate covered up child sexual abuse in Scientology. Hey do you know the name of that guy that raped Jennifer Gorman in the CA ORG, when she was a child? You know, the one they tried to cover up there too.
Oh yeah back to Rex-Fowler OT-7 that shot his SP business partner in the face, when Rex got called out stealing 500K and giving it to your cult. Have you paid you dues? You are not going to go crazy and look in to a mirror and have some alter ego tell you to go on a rampage are you?
For everyone else Naconon Exposed
Larry: Radio Paul's postings impressed me and 3 of my friends - your postings sound ridiculous - Scientology always blame - blame - blame! At what point does Scientology work? I have not met ONE Scientologist that I am impressed with. They look sad, poor and lost! They are constantly invalidated and nullified. Your leader, David Miscavige has quite the lifestyle. You better start looking Larry - everything Radio Paul has printed here are FACTS. You blaming Eli Lilly for the deaths in Scientology and Narconon is just the Hubbard tech on how to divert Scientology crimes - attack, never defend. The jig is up Larry - the public is not coming into your Ideal Org's are they? In fact, your buildings have been virtually empty for years!
The only one you need to convince that Scientology works Larry - is yourself. After you spend $500,000 to go up the bridge to total spiritual freedom and reach OT8 - come on back here and let us know how that is working for you. Give us your wins!