By Kate Snow, Janet Klein and Dustin Stephens
Rock Center
For Barbara Latasiewicz, home was a hospital room. The Poland native, who had cleaned homes in the Chicago area for 20 years, suffered a stroke while on the job in September 2009. An ambulance took her to Adventist La Grange Memorial Hospital in Illinois.
"I was thinking that after a few days, that I'm just gonna get better," Latasiewicz told NBC’s Kate Snow through a translator in an interview airing April 25 at 9pm/8 c on Rock Center with Brian Williams.
Latasiewicz suffered paralysis on one side of her body, but eventually became well enough to leave the hospital. However, more than two years later, the 62-year-old was still in the hospital.
“She hasn’t needed to be in this acute facility for a long time,” said Richard Carroll, the hospital’s chief medical officer.
When asked about Latasiewicz’s more than two year stay at the hospital he oversees, Carroll said, “That’s really a function of how our health care system is working right now, which is it’s not working very well at all, particularly in cases like this.”
Carroll said that Latasiewicz belonged in a skilled nursing facility where she would receive a more appropriate rehabilitation, but she had no way to pay. Latasiewicz had no insurance and was an undocumented resident with no access to government safety-net programs like Medicaid. Without payment, no facility would take her.

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The end result? Latasiewicz stayed at La Grange. Her care cost the hospital $1.4 million. A skilled nursing facility would have been a fraction of the cost.
An NBC News investigation discovered that cases like Latasiewicz’s are not unusual, but the result of current health care policies and guidelines. They are known as “permanent patients” and are hidden in plain sight in hospital rooms across the country. That’s because under federal law, hospitals must treat any patient who needs emergency medical attention even if they have no way to pay. Nursing and rehab facilities are not required by law to do so. At the same time, hospitals cannot discharge a patient without a plan in place for his or her ongoing care. The result is patients stuck in the hospital in need of long-term care but with nowhere to go, large medical bills, and no way to pay – a cost that is usually covered at the hospital’s expense.
“It would be cheaper to take these patients and send them to the Ritz Carlton,” said Harvard University School of Public Health Professor Ashish Jha. “They could get room service all day, and that would be cheaper.”
Jha estimates there are tens of thousands of these patients stuck in the hospital with no clear place to go. Some stay an extra week, some months, and some like Latasiewicz even years. NBC News spoke with officials at dozens of hospitals across the country who confirmed housing patients who didn’t need to be there for extended periods.
Many patients are stuck because they have no money or insurance to pay for long-term care. Other patients may have insurance, but their medical needs are too complex for most skilled nursing facilities to accept. Then there are those in limbo at the hospital waiting sometimes for months to qualify for Medicaid. Once they’re approved, Medicaid will cover the nursing or rehab facility they need.
A spokesperson for the American Health Care Association which represents skilled nursing facilities says that the industry works with hospitals to find facilities for such hard-to-place patients.
According to data from the National Inpatient Sample database at the Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality, the problem of permanent patients appears to be on the rise. From 2005 to 2009, the last years for which data was available, uninsured hospital patients with no access to Medicare or Medicaid in need of long term care increased 20 percent.

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“Most of them are Americans,” Jha said. “And if they get hit by a bus, they get sick, they’re in this situation.”
Garrick Amato, 59, arrived at Banner Heart Hospital in Mesa, Ariz., after suffering a heart attack. A few days later, he was ready to leave the hospital for a rehab facility. However, Amato, who said he worked part-time at a local discount store, had no health insurance and no way to pay for his rehab.
“I guess no nursing home will take me cause I don’t have insurance,” Amato said.
Furthermore, as a single adult without dependent children, he did not qualify for Medicaid in Arizona. Amato spent most of March and much of April at the hospital. Banner Hospital eventually found charity care for him that placed him in a skilled nursing facility where he belonged.
Other patients linger in hospitals despite their best efforts to find charity care. Fatima Khydarova, a professor from Uzbekistan, has been at Maimonides Medical Center in Brooklyn, N.Y., for more than two years. Khydarova arrived there after suffering an incapacitating stroke while visiting her grandchildren in New York. While Khydarova will never walk or talk again, doctors say she does not need to be in a hospital.

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“In a perfect world she should be either at home with her family caring for her or in a nursing home,” Maimonides CEO and President Pamela Brier said.
Khydarova’s grandchildren said that they cannot take care of their grandmother at their mother’s small apartment and at the same time make a living to support all of them.
“I’m working, I’m working.” said granddaughter Nigina Abdullaeva who works at a doctor’s office.
Dr. Jha of Harvard University says that the costs for treating permanent patients are passed on to other consumers through higher medical bills and insurance premiums.
“The bottom line is we’re all paying for it,” Jha said.
To mitigate the cost of these patients, some hospitals have paid out of their own funds to move them to skilled nursing facilities. Once there, the hospital could pay for their care for the rest of their lives.
“Hospitals don't want to widely advertise that they will pay for your care elsewhere,” Jha said. “But in select situations, they look, and they realize, instead of spending tens of thousands of dollars to keep the patient in the hospital, it's probably cheaper for them to send them somewhere else.”
Back in Illinois, case workers at La Grange Hospital also struggled for years to find a more appropriate medical facility for Latasiewicz. They eventually found one, but it was in her native Poland.
Wiping tears away from her eyes, Latasiewicz told Kate Snow through a translator that she did not want to leave. Latasiewicz lived in the United States for 20 years and has a son and grandchildren living nearby. However, her son, Peter Latasiewicz, said he could not take his mother into the small apartment he shares with his children and another family.
“I wouldn’t be able to provide as much help and support and care for her,” Peter Latasiewicz said, “she’s got a lot of medical conditions where she requires 24/7 care.”
The hospital eventually went to court for permission to send Barbara to the medical facility in Poland.
The hospital won and on March 1, Latasiewicz boarded a flight back to her native Poland.
In Brooklyn, Khydarova, the professor from Uzbekistan, remains at Maimonides and the hospital is still working hard to find a solution for her family
“She’s going to stay in the hospital unless we can find a spot for her,” CEO Brier said, “She could stay here potentially for the rest of her life.”











We can't even take care of our own citizens! U.S. taxpayers CAN NOT afford to subsidize illegals with free health care, education, etc.
I am a social worker on an inpatient psychiatric unit, and this story directly speaks to my experience but with the added layer of the stigma of mental illness. We get patients who dont have health care, or have lost their health care, who unlike the stereotype or what people think are legal citizens of the Untied States. They can be stuck at the hospital for weeks or even months for a variety of reasons at a huge cost to the hospital (it's over a grand per night on the unit). However, I am in the state of Massachusetts with mandated health care. If we get that patient without health care insurance, patient financial care gets right on the case to assist the patient in getting health care insurance (this too unfortunately can take months to get back onto state insurance).
Without insurance, you are so limited and have such a high probably of returning! Difficulty paying for these outrageously high medications (or switching to a less expensive medication with is less effective), and difficult finding and following outpatient providers. What would help is an increase in community based supports and programs, however they are loosing funding and closing in this economy.
Btw, it would be cheaper to send a patient to the Ritz Carlton.
NBC, please please plan to do an update on Barbara. The report left out so many details, such as, is there any family in Poland to ensure she is not left alone and forgotten in the Poland facility? Health care and immigration aside, there is a woman at the heart of this story who has been handed by one party to the next as a problem to be solved. How disturbing that the equally hearbreaking rhino story provides links to help the rhinos, but this report offered no means for anyone to help Barbara.
Simple: 1.get her the free attorney she is entitled to see. 2. have them get her signed up via the MD, especially the one that went to 'Harvard", Dr, Ja for social security, it includes the benefits of Medicare she does qualify for. Her physician's documentation will be verification enough.
She has worked for 20yrs. it is her income that will cover her needs, either in her own place or another facility that is covered by Medicare with will come automatically with the above mentioned PLAN OF ACTION.
Not a complicated situation at all. Now lets get back down to REAL news & stop pretending someone is a problem when it CAN be solved.
Her family could have taken care of her and home (night shift, etc.) and done whatever it took to keep her here. However, they "chose" not to. Her country needs to pay for it, NOT us!
Maybe I just don't get it. But if I understand the story, Permanent Patient's bills are being absorbed by the hospital. Then hospitals pass the cost on to everyone else.
Possible Solution:
If the hospitals are paying out the money and nursing homes are so much cheaper then why don't the hospitals just send the patients to nursing homes and then pay the nursing home bill instead of paying so much more to keep Permanent Patients in their hospital.
Is this too simple? Am I missing the point? I'm sure that this is not a great solution, but it's quick, easy and it can be implemented immediately.
The cost would be much lower for hospitals than it is currently. The hospitals would spend a great deal less. And the best part is patients would get the right care they need, and health care costs for everyone would drop instead of continuously rising.
eff all you do gooding liberal scurn. Dump them in the street. I'd rather see that then the end of this nation which is coming thanks to you dumb arse mofo's on the left thinking the rich should pay for everything and if that is not enough, obama has a money tree out back the whitehouse!
I hate you mother effen liberal scurnbags!
ObamaCare is another scheme for people to pay more taxes and money. Sheesh!
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I digress here but, Barbara Latasiewicz, was here for 20 years but still could not speak English and needed a translator?
When you "give" people things for free, they will not pay for better. They expect everything "free". It is a common practice to send elderly people from other countries to the US to "visit" - they become sick(or are sick and do not tell). The family pays for 2 years and then they are an dumped on our medical system. There are about 100,000 a year or more who fit this pattern. 60 minutes did a story about 5-6 years ago.
As for sending them back to their homeland. That was done with a man from South America. They sued and won several million because he was moved without a proper place to stay in his home country.
The whole world expects the USA to pay for everything including half the US citizens. No one makes equipment for free, builds hospitals or sends doctors to school for free, so why do you think Medical Care should be free?????
Medicare and Medicaid are both so abused it is crazy. Do we need another boondoggle? I think not. Make people responsible for their own actions. Everyone should pay somethings even if it is just a dollar. It would help a lot...........
Been reading this site for awhile now, always has really good posts and topics please keep it up! loads of blogs are going under lately from lack of new posts etc
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