By Ronnie Polidoro
Rock Center
Nearly nine months after being viciously beaten while leaving a Los Angeles Dodger home opener, San Francisco Giants fan Bryan Stow has only recovered enough to barely speak and he is still unable to walk.
NBC News Chief Medical Editor Dr. Nancy Snyderman visited Stow at a rehabilitation center in San Jose, Calif. The 42-year-old paramedic and father of two is relearning basic things like walking, brushing his teeth, swallowing, and even how to speak. His recovery has been a slow process but he was able to greet Snyderman as part of an exclusive look at his life since the attack.
Two of the men who attended the fateful baseball game in Los Angeles with Stow, Corey Maciel and Jeff Bradford also spoke to Rock Center in an exclusive interview discussing one of the worst episodes of fan violence in American sports history.
It was opening day in March at Dodger Stadium. The Dodgers were playing the defending World Series champion team, the San Francisco Giants. San Francisco fans Maciel, Bradford, and Stow, along with their friend Matt Lee, had taken a road trip to Los Angeles to root for their team.
Proudly wearing their orange and black uniforms, they stuck out in the blue sea of Dodger fans, and soon the heckling began.
“Nobody's off limits for heckling at a game, especially when it's friendly banter,” Maciel told Dr. Nancy Snyderman.
But the friendly banter soon escalated into name-calling, threats and cursing.
“At no point did we think about leaving, because as uncomfortable as we might have been at times, we had paid our money. We're here to see a baseball game,” Maciel said.
The game ended with the Dodgers winning 2-1.
As fans filtered out of the stadium, the four visitors stayed by their seats to avoid the massive crowds. When they finally left, the taunting continued into the parking lot.
“It turned from uncomfortable in the stadium to almost a hostile feeling in the parking lot,” Maciel said.
The group was staying at a nearby hotel and trying to beat the taxi stand line. Bradford says they went the long way through a dimly lit parking lot to look for a cab farther from the stadium.
“Bryan and I were side by side and talking amongst ourselves,” Maciel said. “We're walking past this car. And I noticed there's a group of people. And, next thing, one of them comes from behind the car yelling, and pushes Bryan into me.”
Maciel says his friends dismissed the trouble and kept walking, picking up the pace. The parking lot exit came into focus. Then he says he heard footsteps coming from behind them and then a loud scream.
“I turned around, and at that point, I see Jeff get punched in the face and get knocked to his back. And I just remember feeling stunned, completely stunned, almost paralyzed with the feeling of what is going on right now,” he said.
Trying to assess the situation, Maciel says he looked for his other friends.
“I looked over to see where Matt and Bryan were. And I didn't see Matt, but I saw Bryan. And somebody had his attention. And he was looking away from me.”
That’s when Maciel says Bryan was punched from behind and knocked to the ground allegedly by the same man who punched Jeff. His attacker was kicking him in the side of the head, over and over.
Maciel and Bradford say they sprinted to Stow and jumped on him to cover and protect him, begging the attacker to stop.
“Right after we had covered Bryan up, somebody from the crowd grabbed him and said, ‘That's enough. Get out of here.’ And the next thing I know, I look up and I see him running away,” Maciel said.
Maciel says he called out Stow’s name repeatedly, but his badly beaten friend gave no response. “I felt so helpless,” he said.
Stow laid there with severe injuries to his skull and brain, struggling to hold on.
In July, two suspects were arrested, Louie Alex Sanchez, 29, and Marvin Eugene Norwood, 30. Sanchez and Norwood both pled not guilty to charges of felony assault, battery, and mayhem in August. Their preliminary hearing has been set for January 17.
After seven months in the intensive care unit, much of what he spent in a medically induced coma, Stow was transferred from San Francisco General Hospital to the rehabilitation center in San Jose, Calif. Doctors say Bryan will be permanently “disabled” and expect that he will never be a paramedic again.
Despite the severity of the attack Bradford says he’s hopeful baseball’s reputation is not damaged irreparably.
“It's supposed to be a team sport. You know? Good rivalry. This is one bad instance among millions and millions of sports fans that go every year and have the time of their lives.”
Editor’s Note: Dr. Nancy Snyderman’s full report on Bryan Stow and his recovery airs tonight, Dec.19 at 10p/9c on NBC’s Rock Center.
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what a shame...put the two SPORTS THUGS in prison where they will get a taste of life.
In CA they will be out in 2 years...
Sickening!!!
They need to be charged with hate crimes in the federal system and spend about 30 years as Bubbah's beetch.
Not to be overly vindictive, but when they go to prison, leak word to the general prison population that these two are child molesters. Their stay behind bars, no matter how short, will seem like a lifetime in hell.
I'm all for long sentances, but short time sertved. These guys need to be out on probation supporting Mr. Stow for the rest of all their lives. Let them out for the civil suit.
I was so appalled by this brutal act as a Dodger fan 8) I only hope that these bastards get punished to the fullest extent possible.
Death is only thing good for these @!$%#s, how sweet it would be to kick the chair out from under them 8)
I read the article and the article only mentioned one person committing the assault. The other man came from the group of people and grabbed the assailant and they ran away. The article did not make it clear why two people were charged. That assailant needs to be put away for a long time.
This man and his family must live with the situation for the rest of their lives. The two thugs should spend the rest of their lives providing for the benefit of their victims. What a senseless and unnecessary situation. I feel for this man and his family. I hope he has a full recovery.
8( I just watched the video those 2 deserve to DIE a horrible death.
You couldn't pay me to go to any one of these thug competitions. Not a thug party, not a thug sports competition, not a thug rally, nothing. I'd rather stay home with my family, you thugs are just plain nuts. Drinking and fighting at social events.
I see this all the time. Coast to coast, violence violence violence. If it isn't some idiot bringing a gun to a party, its another bringing his fists to the stadium.
Los Angeles, the violence capitol of the U.S. Rioting blacks, unhousebroken hispanics, brainless liberals: what do you expect?
Shut down the entire venue, and throw out the thugs. This is ridiculous. I will never go to a sporting event like this in California again. Just isn't worth it.
Sounds to me like Stow's friends ditch him to save their ass. To bad, they might have prevented it or lessened the severity of the wounds.
To J7 in Colorado:
I, too, worry about the violence. Fortunately it still sporadic. I fondly remember living in St. Louis in the late eighties and early nineties when the Chicago Cubs would come to town for a weekend series. The friendly banter at the restaurants and bars after the game was hilarious. Never in 5 years did I see hate or anger.
Somebody should have been strapped.
I work in criminal law in California. These two men WILL NOT serve short sentences. The penalty for mayhem is 25-life. Anything in California with a "-life" essentially means life. If these guys have prior strikes (which given the savage nature of the crime I'm betting they do) they are looking at LWOP (life without the possibility of parole). Please do not think that California's criminal justice system is "liberal" it most definitely is NOT.
Pamela, stop talking out your blowhole.
This guy ran TOWARD the men while his friends ran away. This is an aggressive action toward a group. There is a good possibility he will be sued in civil and LOSE> Because he got his ass whipped does not mean he was in the right.
I do not condone violence but this guy might be the one paying up when it is all said and done....and that is the California system for you.
Mark-
YOU need to be locked in a cell with these two skumbaggs!!
Regardless if he mouthed off to them or not (I HIGHLY doubt he did), he did NOT deserve to be beaten almost to DEATH!
YOU'RE what's wrong with this country, Mark!!
Time to stop the reason for the rivalry. Put all professional sports on notice that they will be banned if more attacks happen.
Running towards someone justifies getting kicked in the ehad repeatedly? Mark, you're as big an idiot as the perps are.
Yeah, here you have it all. This is what America is really like. Primitive idiots all around roaming the streets freely.
What a shame!! And those MOFOs can vote??!!
Mark, you are a NUT Case 2.
To clarify, apparently both men attacked, more than once, & did far more than punch & kick. Other sources say both attackers had been roaming the stadium assaulting Giants fans. The first time, one punched one of Mr. Stow's friends & pushed Stow to the ground. Then they followed Stow's group for several hundred feet, eventually knocking Mr. Stow to the ground, rendering him unconscious. They are also accused of cutting his tongue, nose, lip & ear, & gouging out an eye.
This wasn't a "fight" of any kind. This was insanity. Punishment is all well & good, & much-deserved in this case, but what in the world is going on when people would roam a sports stadium looking to disfigure & cripple people because they root for a different sports team?
I hate any sport that induces such thuggery; hockey and soccer especially.
If you come at a person in rage that is intent...pure and simple. No matter how you emotionally feel ...
if he would have followed his friends he would not have been beaten...in the world of logic he is part of the Darwin Project...just lucky to be alive.
I had no idea there were rules of engagement when you attacked someone. I would like to see these. Funny, if I am the nutcase why is it he is the one in traction?
Mark I don't think you even get the story and are just wanting to see your writing. He didn't aggress these thugs, and he did not deserve this.
Sports are getting out of control. People are so obsessed and get completely crazy. Why can't people just enjoy a game without kicking someone's A** because they don't like the same team? But... it was LA, and we all know that the worst for this are Raiders fans and Dodgers. Sadly to be expected from their fans. You would THINK the teams would ask for higher respect from their fans.
Mark, obviously, you cannot read. Stow was run up to and punched. He continued to walk away. He was then runup on, and hit in the back of the head. Two friends ran over and covered him.
Best news, the friends have identified the attackers from a mug shot line up. And the worst one has been identified by his tattoo/s.
Now, Mark, take your meds and go back to the hole you live in.
Without knowing the particulars of the case I will guess both suspects are felons. At least one was on parole or probation at the time they allegedly committed this heinous crime. Both are Hispanic/Latino whatever (Before you start yelling racism I am 100% Hispanic). Both have bald heads as well as facial hair, most likely goatees. Both are fathers, maybe one is married. A female either turned them in or is charged in aiding them.
oldman,
You are incorrect. MSN published this guys friends police reports the day this happened. I have kept up with this story since day 1. His friends statements say
1. They ran away form the guys
2. This guy ran toward the guys
3. There was an altercation
It is 123 as far as the legal system is concerned. I do not hate this guy..I just know what was reported as happened. This story is what the guys that ran away saw (the beatdown). You can hate on the other people all you want, call them names, whatever. The fact is he DID run toward them and he DID get his butt kicked. Both facts. Any partial jury will not rule in the favor of this guy.
Just to reaffirm how pathetic the case is...they picked the suspect up on a weapons violation and not as a suspect of this case. They went in on a warrant for a weapon. That says the whole story there.
its a shame a number of posters on here feel this is typical behavior....almost the norm. In actuality, its just the opposite. Violent crime and murder has been dropping for many years....even during the great recession...and thats usually when you see crime rates go way up.
These sub-humans are NOT the norm. They are freaks, losers, out of the mainstream, roadside trash thrown aside by the rest of society.
Mr. Stow represents our society....family man, hard working, law abiding, giving back to society. THAT is the norm. Not these pieces of garbage.
Los Angeles, the violence capitol of the U.S.: Rioting blacks, unhousebroken hispanics, brainless liberals-- what do you expect?
Death penalty or life imprisonment for both of them.
Hang them. Seriously, they will get a few years in prison, maybe, and then out to demolish another life.
I'm guessing that after a few years in jail they will do everything they can to avoid going back. What a pathetic duo.
From police reports this guy is the one that started the violence. This is the testimony of his friends.
Because he got a beat down does not mean he is innocent.
Yeah right....a 42 year-old paramedic and father is going to start $hit with a couple of gangbangers from LA.....WRONG!
LOL@PAUL
Your reasoning is right up there with "We needed a black president to be a PC country"
You're an idiot. No matter WHO started it, he did NOT deserve to be permanently disabled the rest of his life.
You must be a friend of one of the guys in jail for this. Figures.
Mark .. you sound like you may have been part and party to this incident. Or have you yourself been involved with this type of violence and want to vindicate your actions? I would suggest you see a professional about your inability to see the wrong in such actions.
Retired military Joy. If you get off your liberal couch and into reality you would understand....
Two groups mouthing off outside a ballgame (happens all the time)
One guy takes exception (possibly drunk)
Guy runs into danger while sober people run away from it.
Guy running into danger has fists ready and mouth running
Guy gets multiple slobberknockers and requires years in hospital.
ANYONE who runs into danger because of verbal altercation is an IDIOT. They earned their punishment. The stupid will be punished.
The dude was stupid..he was punished..end of story. These guys will not see a day in jail. The "victim" has his friends' testimony to ensure this. Actually do research on the facts.
mark.....sorry, you are @!$%#ing trash...just like those sub-humans. do our society a favor and kill yourself
Deserved to be permanently disabled..
he is lucky to be alive Tish.
You may believe that the way things work is the same everywhere regardless of the law. If you are stupid anywhere on the planet you will be killed, raped, disabled,etc etc. This guy was trained how to act in different environments. Have no idea what would make him break his training. I can only assume alcohol or drugs.
Well Rob thank you for the enlightenment. I hope out of all of this you teach your children that it is super stupid to run into a fight over a verbal altercation. This type of stuff happens and is real life. You act like I am sticking up for the guys who beat him down. I am pointing out if this guy would have followed his friends away from harm he would be a walking, talking, sex machine still. Now he has to work his life out from a wheel chair at best.
If you go to fight, fight to win. if it is so important to raise your fists or voice....make sure you understand the other people will do the same thing. It is on level of don't bring a knife to a gunfight.
My question to you is this: What did you expect to happen from this? This guy run up in the face of two obvious thugs and talk smack and they just stand there? What was the endgame? What was he thinking?
Would you do what he did?
even IF your imagined version of what happened is true, it is not an excuse for what happened to Stow.....knocked out lying on the ground unmoving and they continued to kick him in the head
sorry pal, even in you're warped world Mr. Stow still deserves to be whole and supporting his family and contributing to society...maybe with a black eye or broken nose at most. even in your warped diseased world.
so @!$%# off, punk.
This is absolutely a hate crime. That man was beaten because he was white. Cheering for your team is just an excuse to beat up a middle class white man for hispanics and blacks. I am ashamed of the victims white friends. A bunch of cowards. P%ssy's. Bet they wish they were'nt so sheltered by thier panzy ass parents up in suburbia. Liberals need to grow up. Nerds! I mean don't they know when the first altercation happened in the parking lot with the tattooed dueds that they needed to watch each others back till they were in their cab? These guys had zero street sence and p$ssy's too.
Mark, you rock!
Rob in Warwick NY. By the way lib you obviously have the reading comprehension ability of a first grader. Mark never said he was sticking up for the thugs, moron.
I thought you liberals were supposed to be edumacated? Get a life nerd.
Ok, Mark, so if he started it and was running towards the trouble and away from his friends, then how is it that his friend Jeff got pushed and punched first? And just because he was walking in the direction of those two men doesn't mean he was drunkenly running towards them for a fight and beating his chest like an ape. You're either the world's most committed troll or one of those weirdos that likes to play devil's advocate just to be different. Also, there's a little thing known as excessive force, and I'm pretty sure cold-cocking a guy to the point where he smashes his head on the pavement, and then continuing to beat his lifeless body so that his friends have to shield him with their own bodies would definitely be considered excessive.
Bob....really?? liberal? you aren't one of those political hacks that is going to turn every tragic episode into a reason to tout your hard core extreme right wing political position??
And by the way, since when would the right wing position be in support of the LATINO thugs who beat a WHITE guy to near death??? I think Rush would be a little disappointed in you.
No need to get too upset with the "Mark" poster defending the attackers, folks. There's no civil or criminal law anywhere that protects people who blind someone and try to cut out their tongue our for "yelling" or "running toward" them, even if that occurred.
Assuming any part of the alleged facts are proven true, they're looking at hard time, and if they ever have enough money to be worth suing, they would be annihilated in a civil suit. Maiming someone permanently and reducing their future ability to work ups damages gigantically. No interpretation of "self-defense" covers two guys kicking someone into a coma and taking a knife to his face while he was UNCONSCIOUS, for crying out loud.
"Mark is just trying to push buttons for whatever reason. Law is the "reality" here, and it doesn't support any part of what he's saying.
Animals.
Just vicious. Even animals don't harm for no other reason than to inflict pain.
Unless they have rabies....
they should be put down
If these two guys had rabies they should have been put down before the beating took place. <sarcasm>
First castrate the attackers if found guilty so the boys in prison can have fun with the new girls on the cell block. I hope they die a miserable death 10,000 times over.
I agree!!! We all need to take a stand with the lawmakers and make them understand these types of attacks will not be tolerated!!!
North Korea needs good strong backs for their labor camps.
When do these thugs get shipped there?
That includes those NYC cop killers as well.
The ACLU can take any objections they may have, with NK's new leader.
Stay on topic, you moron.
Yeah..that's it. Send all the deviants to North Korea. I like that
'AcousticTherapy'.
They WERE on topic, it just seems you are to slow to follow, what happened?
Did you get kicked in the head by a horse when you were little or are you off your meds
@SouthernGent He was talking about Pattons jab at the ACLU and hes right, political issues have nothing to do with this.
Acoustictherapy, you are suspended for a day for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Hahahaha!
Funny how almost everyone on the entire thread is insulting each other and the moderator singles out one individual .
SouthernGent, you are suspended for a week for violating rule # 1 of the Code of Honor.
Just kill the scumbag thugs. They don't deserve another day of life.
This should have ended right there in the parking lot with 2 to the chest and, if necessary, one to the brain, but the wise lawgivers of California have said: No one "needs" a handgun.
And I want to see pictures of the assailants. Wonder why we haven't?
And finally: I'll bet my rent the assailants aren't actually Dodger, or even baseball, fans.
Political Correctness is keeping you from seeing their pictures.
there are mugshots in the video
Neck tattoo. What a surprise.
Why, what do you WISH they looked like?
I wish they look dead.
I don't WISH they looked like anything, but the neck tattoo was right in line with my expectations of what they WOULD look like.
How odd that we in America froth and scream for our sports teams and yet when this aggressive energy inevitably manifests itself in violence we are shocked.
Violence is not a necessary outcome of passion.
@Freddy Boy. Are you so stupid to equate rooting for a sports team to causing "aggessive energy" that resulted in Bryan Stowe nearly beaten to death?? Of cours decent people are shocked as well they should be.
JB, have you ever even been to a game?
@JB He has a point, dont forget all the alcohol that is consumed at these games as well. Not to mention how much violence is present in our culture today, Freddy Boy has a very valid point.
They usually stop serving beer about 10 minutes into the game so people don 't get to drunk. At least at all the sporting events that I have attended.
Fan enthusiasm and drunkeness have little to do with sociopathy, other than to influence. The attackers were the types who probably have committed battery before, and would do it again, drunk or not, at a game or not.
Hense why I do not go to any games in Oakland, San Fran, or Los Angeles. I do not even give a damn if my Bears or my Cubs are playing there. I am safe in San Diego, I do not get attacked here. The stadiums up north are too thuggish for me. (Just FYI if your wondering why I live in SD and like Chicago teams, I am military, from Iowa.)
you dont need to explain yourself, im from Omaha and live in Boston for 20yrs and im a Kansas City Chiefs fan and in baseball a Cards fan
Go Chiefs! :)
I go to at least one Cubs/Giants game in SF every year and have never been given any grief for being a Cubs fan - I have seen lots of Dodger fans get razzed though.
I am from Nor Cal and I have been to multiple events at Qualcom, Jack Murphy, whatever its called now, and I saw the biggest brawl inside the stadium I have ever seen at a sporting event. When I left and was drving out of the parking lot, people started pushing on my car and I thought they were going to roll it. I have been to most major outdoor stadiums in CA (including LA Coliseum) and seemed to see the most trouble in SD. I dont think any stadium is totally safe from an idiot fan(s).
No bit see San Diego is more forgiving for outside sports people because of the Military. And San Diegians can't complain about us, for god sakes we give them hella business. If they moved all the bases around here, San Diego would become a hole... SORRY SAN DIEGO PEEPS...I LOVE YOU BUT WE SPEND LOTS OF MONEY ON THIS CITY... especially the bars.... hmmmm!
I think it is much safer to sit in your basement and smoke weed and veg out than it is to have anything to do with sports today. If you're young, you'll get raped. If you're an adult and there's alcohol involved, there's certainly violence to follow. And yet the safer thing, hangin' in your basement minding your own business is illegal. Wow, are we still a free country?
Irrelevant, moron. Stay on topic. Nobody cares about your smoking habits.
hanging in your basement minding your own business is illegal? What? Only if your a serial killer, chopping up body parts and burying them in the cement foundation. ahem, er uh sir. Do you mind if we take a little look around in your basement?
Don't piss off AT, everybody. He is the topic police today. Actually, I think the question posed was relative enough for the discussion.
It was on topic you ass, he was just looking at it from a diff. perspective. He was relating how corrupt things are getting, making things as simple as going to a sports event & rooting for your 'team' dangerous. But if you want to sit in the privacy of your own home to chill, burn down & watch the same game, thats somehow illegal/dangerous. Think about the comment you read before you respond with a nonsensical post such as this one...
How much on-topic is necessary? No one is writing a journal here.
An extension of freedomman's thoughts......I'll be these thugs get released early from jail to make room for people that were caught smoking pot in their basement.
I'd be willing to bet that alcohol was involved on both sides of this story, unfortunately it's big $$$ for stadiums and they're NEVER going to stop serving it or frowning upon excessive consumption before, during and after the game.
That being said, why does anyone bother spending all of that money to attend a baseball game when you can watch it from the comfort of your own home in HD?
Do not blame this on alcohol. They know the difference between right and wrong, sober or drunk, and obviously don't care.
@Impatient girl IF alcohol was involved then it most definately had something to do with the escalation of the attack and the severity. Its one thing to drink that poison, but its another thing to defend it.
@impatient girl; excessive alcohol consumption alters a persons state of mind, thereby; rendering that person(s) inable to make sensible coherent decisions. It most definitely placed a huge role in this attack, if that is the case.
I think people who go to public events, and want to purchase alcohol; should have to wear a plastic wristband, be limited to a certain number of drinks and the wristband should be holepunched after each drink purchase to identify how many that individual has purchased and whether or not can purchase more (up to the limit). This should be adopted at ALL public events where alcohol is sold! I'll bet you'd see a huge reduction in violence!!!!!
Will the rich fans wear the same wristbands that you propose?
Why pay to go to a baseball game, really? Why go to the beach when you can watch it on TV? Why make love when you can watch porn? Did you ever open your sunroof to smell fresh air and get a breeze?
I only go 1-2 times a year but the atmosphere, the crowd (yes the "normal" crowd of which most are), the involvement of it and much more make it worthwhile. Even a $7 beer tastes damn good at a ball game.
Travel with friends and stay as a group if you are afraid to go otherwise. You'll have a great time. It is too easy to sit at home and miss out on the real world experiences. Nothing is without some risk. Assaults at baseball games are probably less likely than a car accident on the way to work.
I think other people should refrain from dictating my drinking habits. If I'm too irresponsible to handle my liquor I'll face the legal consequences for that...39 years and no DUIs, bar fights, no alcohol poisoning or other drunken spectacles.
Talk about just throwing away your civil liberty's...geesh, and some wonder WHY things are turning to sh!t, we are basically already living in a police state...*sigh (-_-)
All of the heckling, angry fans in the stadium are guilty of this man's injuries. That one or two people actually acted out their anger in a violent way is just a symptom of the mob mentality. People need to turn off the heckling, food fights and anger. If there was only one side to the game, what sport would there be? Oh, BTW, look up the meaning of sport. You'll be surprised.
This is on no one except the attackers. You trying to place blame on others alleviates them of their guilt and that's wrong.
It is not invalid to make a point that the state of society and it's increasing proclivity to violence had something to do with this incident. It may just seem invalid if trying to imply that everyone in the stadium is guilty of the actions of the two attackers, because the application of the relevant laws must be much more specific.
An irony that may exist is that the associates of Bryan may not have stood their ground, preventing an escalating attack.
fgh. Re read the story. They all were walking away. The thugs came up and hit Brian from behind. Two of the friends covered him to stop the attack. probably took a few kicks themselves.
Some "people" can not control their urges to beat, rob and kill. The death penalty should be expanded to include all violent crimes. That would solve a whole lot of today's problems.
Throw white collar crimes in the mix too and you will fix the economy
its that way under islamic law, so you dont mind if you go down that path
But if we put all white collar criminals to death, who would run the goverment??
Mexicans.
First off, these thugs should be jailed for life, hard labor to pay restitution. Impossible to pay restitution, but they should have to work on it.
Second, there should be severe penalties for anything like this - the trash talking by "fans" and players should have NO place - do it and you're out, whether you are a bleacher bum, season ticket holder or multi-million dollar player - talk the talk, do the walk!
WIth 100% certainty alcohol was involved. It is the key ingredient that can turn normal fans into raging idiots. It's a shame when one cannot go to a game to root for their own team without the concern of being attacked, even when goingto a visiting ballpark/stadium. Have to agree with "Sono", unless you are goingto a home game it's better to just stay home and watch on HD.
they look like gang members so alcohol doesnt have to be involved so i say its 50/50 certainty
A small segment of society in the world is sociopathic, and a smaller segment is psychopathic. These groups are not motivated by alcohol or drugs.
Was there a racial motive to this flash mob attack?
yes
All over a baseball game.... Sickening
A baseball game, politics, religion, a gang.....whatever. I'm not defending what they did, but it's human nature to become a member of a group and defend it. Look at how subscribing to a political ideology affects people's views on specific subjects; it defies reason.
Just wondering.... if Sanchez is a "legal" in this country? If not, put him in prison, let him serve his time, and then ship him back over the border.
What a ridiculous statement. This did happen in California, home to a Hispanic or two. Why don't you ask the same thing about the other suspect?
Steve- If your name really is "Steve", as in "Steven", you should know that that name derives from an ancient Greek origin.
Maybe YOU are an illegal Greek immigrant, and you should go back to where you came from and leave this country to real AMERICANS!
as long as we're judging people's immigrant status by their names.
He can serve his time in some stink'n Latin jail. Why should we pay for his stay in a country club prison at tax payer expense?
This story makes me so angry, they almost killed a man for what? liking the other team, seriously? These were grown a$$ men! Ignorant morons! Life in prison, how embarrassing for them.
pfffft dodger fans...
I have been following this story since it happened. Such a sad story and I agree those guys should receive a beating and locked up for the rest of their lives! I could not even imagine if they did that to someone in my family. I would probably beat them myself. The only thing I do not agree with is his family is suing the Dodgers?? How is it their fault these two degenerates did this. Unfortunately, there are people like that out there......they can not sue the people that did this because they are probably living off the government so they decide to sue the Dodgers? Again I am sorry this happened and itis a heart breaking story, but I jsut do not think suing the Dodgers is fair.
cwhite - the two who did this both have jobs and are being sued. I think they sued the Dodgers because they felt there should have been more security in the lot after the game.
That's because you don't have the $1m in medical bills to pay...not to mention his rehab for the rest of his life. The stadium obviously didn't provide enough security for its fans and therefore must be held responsible for their own negligence. If found guilty, the thugs will only serve 2 years at the most. Cruelty to animals will get you 3-4 years in most states.
I felt absolutely horrible when I first read this story. And then I read that the family is suing the Dodgers, and somehow, some of my sympathy went away. Wow. I guess it's all about money, isn't it? What the heck do the Dodgers have to do with this? I still feel bad for the victim, but why sue the Dodgers???
I've been to a number of Laker games, but only to one Dodger game. I've seen problems occur when BOTH the hecklers AND the heckled verbally antagonize each other. If there was alcohol involved, it only magnifies the antagonism. What really happened here? Did the victim flip off his antagonists, getting them even angrier? Were there verbal altercations prior to this beating? In other words, did both parties engage in dumb actions? The Dodgers won that game. Did Doger fans heckle this SF fan and laugh at him for their loss? Did this fan then respond foolishly so that he was beaten to this extent?
There are things that we can all do to minimize the possibility of a brutal attack such as this. A woman would never walk into a deserted parking lot by herself at 1AM in the middle of the city, even though she has every right to do so. But PRUDENCE tells her that it would be foolish. In the same way, when we are the only orange jacket among thousands of Dodger Blue shirts, is it wise to indulge in counter-heckling, if indeed that was done?
In the end, it really doesn't matter. This was a brutal and inexcusable attack. I hope the perpetrators get the maximum penalties.
Why sue the Dodgers? simple, they have deep pockets. That is who always gets sued because they have the money.
According to the others in the group, the lot was dimly lit and likely did not have sufficient security forces present. That is why they feel the Dodgers should be liable, because the guys were able to get away without any security officers showing up. Doesn't mean it's a good idea, or that the Dodgers ARE at fault, but it's understandable that they're mad at the stadium.
i know the illegals can't help with the medical bills, why not the L.A. Dodgers?
A couple of years ago I went to a Twins game, at the home field, and we had visiting Milwaukee fans behind us. Needless to say, after drinking no less than 6 20 oz beers and counting, we ended up leaving early as the drunken twits made it absolutely unbearable. I tried to report it to the "usher" who merely leaned and looked where the idiots were seated. The ball club needs to establish drinking limits at the games. If the comsuption was done at a nightclub, they would have been cut off hours ago. Night clubs and restaurants are held responsible for excessive drinking and accidents/incidents. It would not be too far afield to have the same for sports stadiums/arenas.
Human beings, we are an awful race of creatures. It saddens me greatly to know another person or persons can do such a horrible thing over a game. I hope this man can make some kind of recovery to some normalcy in his life and that these thugs never have the freedom to walk outside a prison yard.
too many people and too @!$%#ty economy when violent sociopaths can form their own "culture" and operate under their own rules, you show up in my stadium wearing the wrong "colors" and I'll bust your head in, idiots, idiocy is dangerous
I totally agree with "The Angry Guy" No pics of these a**holes? What are we doing, protecting them? Anyone else arrested would have their pictures all over the news and internet. They will be at next year's opening game. That's a given. CA prisons are overcrowded remember?
there are pics of two people that are been accused of mayhem
Maybe they want to make sure they have the right people before they turn them into targets for non-violent people that want to do violence to them.
If you recall they arrested a different guy first, the chief of police had a self-serving press conference to pat himself on the back and went on TV saying he was POSITIVE this was the guy. When they figured out he wasn't I don't recall them calling a press conference to apologize.
Anyways back then there were the exact same comments from everyone about this guy should be beaten, killed etc. Dumb criminals, dumb cops, dumb people on message boards, people are wonderful.
I always say arrest them and then announce their release time and location. Drop them off in an alleyway behind a bar in San Fran wearing their LA jersey so that people will know who they are. Then let nature take its course. It's a win-win.
So its not OK to beat up a Giants fan, but it is OK to beat up the Dodgers fans?
Ha, as I see it, it would be okay to beat up the Dodger fans who beat up Bryan Stow! They more than deserve it.
I attended all of the home playoff games in St. Louis, and there were numerous fans of the Phillies, Brewers and then Rangers there, respectively, as the series progressed. I was happy to see that they could come and cheer for their teams, decked out in sometimes outlandishly loud garb, and enjoy themselves in the "enemy" park. Got a chance to talk to many of them seated near me and found that they were also human beings like me, who liked their teams as much as I liked mine. We all may have cheered at different points in the game, but everyone had fun. I did not hear of any such Stow incidents despite the tenseness of playoff baseball. I hope that if I take my kids to a game in LA, SF, NYC or elsewhere, that we'll be able to wear our Cardinals jerseys without fear of taunting, much less physical assault. It is a tragedy that Mr. Stow has a family depending on him, and he has suffered like this because some worthless criminals didn't like the "colors" he had on. Baseball fans aren't "gang" members. Let them cheer for their teams in peace for God's sake...
You probably hit the nail on the head. People who act that way have to have that "gang turf" mentality - basically sociopathic. However they got that way, they are no longer fit to live among civilized people. They are like rabid animals - only one cure.
Unfortunately many fan bases are not as friendly and tolerant as where you are in the Midwest. I doubt Cardinal fans would feel comfortable or welcome in Philadelphia.
This is absolutely a hate crime. That man was beaten because he was white. Cheering for your team is just an excuse to beat up a middle class white man for hispanics and blacks. I am ashamed of the victims white friends. A bunch of cowards. P%ssy's. Bet they wish they were'nt so sheltered by thier panzy ass parents up in suburbia. Liberals need to grow up. Nerds! I mean don't they know when the first altercation happened in the parking lot with the tattooed dueds that they needed to watch each others back till they were in their cab? These guys had zero street sence and p$ssy's too. Stupid white liberals running the left wing media need to start looking after their own kind. I've never heard the media saying it's a hate crime when minorities beat white people. But you always hear about white people being charged for possible hate crimes on the news. Think about it people! You can't think of even one time can you